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Finally, 1970 S! More Than One?

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 Posted 01/22/2010  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Joe, keep asking your questions. Many of us here have learned so much from Chuck and others and we would all be willing to share as they have done with us. Fellas, Joe probably has a life besides coin collecting and can not read every post we make. I know that if I ever start to collect Morgans seriously I would ask questions that have been asked many times before. I simply do not take the time to read all the post on them currently because of time available and my collecting interests. We will see these questions again and they are asked in a sincere effort to either learn or confirm what they know. If it is too repetitive for you, leave it alone and some of the rest of us will try and help. Jim
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 Posted 01/22/2010  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There's really NOTHING difficult about the subject. The diagnostics have been pointed out NUMEROUS times in the past month on various coins with decent images. The same person has been told on NUMEROUS occasions that they have a large date cent, and could have kept them as examples of such. The same person could have gone to the NUMEROUS resources here and elsewhere on the web looking for the answer, but no...it's FAR easier to post EVERY little thing here and have someone feed you a free answer than to bother trying to LEARN the subject by doing a little research.

The internet today provides SO MUCH useful information on this and other numismatic subjects, it amazes me how the SAME question gets asked here time and time and time again. Go back to the 1980s when I started and all we had - ALL we had - was a Red Book with small, non-helpful images and NO diagnostics. We somehow survived, learned, and made it through the barrier of not knowing what we were doing.

It would be one thing if this question were being asked by this person for the first, maybe second time...but I see a pattern that's obviously being missed by people who claim my deserved response is rude or unwarranted. This is a place for questions...true. I've had no problem answering questions when the answer is warranted. But this is NOT a place to come with EVERY 1970S cent you find posting every one of them for someone else to identify because YOU don't want to try figuring it out on your own. The difference between them is obvious once the diagnostics are pointed out, and well - they have been - PLENTY of times.

I'm pretty much done here. Have fun collecting, all...
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 Posted 01/22/2010  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
23 threads found containing '1970' in 'Modern US Variety & Error Coins'. Of the 23, 19 of them are about 1970S cents...and four of them started by the same person, all four of which have the answer WITH diagnostics in the thread.

Furthermore....a person does NOT have to 'find' a 1970S small date cent through change OR locally. There are people HERE with them for sale. Not being able to find one within however many miles is not a valid reason for not having one. This is the internet, and the USPS is still in business. You could buy one from California or New York and they would show up on the mail and serve the same purpose.

I'm just done. It's not fun, feels more like a sitting service than a learning experience. I'm not here to beat things into people, I'm here to provide answers to people who did research and still don't have the answer. The right thing to do when you don't know is look it up. If you cannot find it in one resource, try another. Keep trying until you're relatively certain you're not going to find an answer...THEN go to people who share their time willingly who DO know, and ask. Jumping straight online to ask questions with NO research is just rude. That's the way I see it.
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 Posted 01/22/2010  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainkurt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One thing, as a new member who has just found it's usefulness, that has not been mentioned is the great searching feature of this site. The box is on the upper left with the GO next to it. Almost all of my questions have been answered here since I found it:)
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 Posted 01/22/2010  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jokingjoker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Along the lines of the 70-s, I beleive its just that hard for people to distinguish between the two. I have my small date proof and my large date proof next to each ther in my dansco and still have trouble seeing the difference, though yes the differences have been pointed out numerous times on this site and alot of those posts have been by the same person, I still dont see the need to get all bent out of shape about it. If you dont want to lend your expertise on the subject, move on, and dont post at all. I'm sure someone else will.
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 Posted 01/22/2010  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, so NOBODY else sees that this particular member continuously asks the SAME questions, has been kicked off here before and came back under an alt ID, and does NOT seem to read ANY of the posts teaching him what he's not finding...okay, no problem. And you people wonder why Bill doesn't post here any more, except on RARE occasion.

NOBODY here seems to think it's RUDE to ask a question, ignore knowledgeable answers, then come back time and time again wearing out the same questions continuously receiving the SAME answers, yet refuses to obtain quality examples to learn from with the excuse that there's not a local shop - no thought at all about supporting the people who have responded to him here.

That's just amazing. I guess I should join Bill and leave the non-rude patient people here with the same questions from the same people over and over again.

Numismatics is a LEARNING process. If you can't learn it, go do baseball cards or something. I'm not trying to be mean or rude, I'm just stating a fact. If you get into a subject you simply cannot understand, move on to something you CAN understand. That's all.

With regard to the statement about my forum. A few things:

1. We don't have the same person continually asking the same questions there, constantly ignoring the answers given.
2. I treat everyone the same. If they deserve a patient, detailed answer I give it. If they've already received the detailed answer, I give the short version.
3. I teach - and I enjoy it...but even in teaching there's a limit to how much attention can be given to one student who can't grasp concepts without dragging the rest of the class down with them.
4. I'm not sure what 'rants' you are talking about, but it matters little at this point. I'm pretty much done with this.
5. Many here seem to take a short, brief answer about something as being 'rude'. I don't....and I'm not sorry. If the material is here for the reading, I see repitition as unnecessary.


Just remember that sometimes the ONLY people who are willing to speak up and tell the TRUTH are the people who are persecuted the MOST. So painfully few people are willing to just speak up and chance being fire bombed by others by stating the obvious, and that's all I have done here. I don't sugar coat anything and don't "feel" the "need" to treat anyone in any way other than what they've brought onto themselves. I don't know how ANYONE can expect to ask the same questions over and over and expect everyone to continue answering the same questions with the same level of detail and patience. It's time some learning take place and some self-sufficient collecting happen.

I wish you ALL the best....peace out.
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 Posted 01/22/2010  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joe finds to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I now, according to coppercoins, seem to have multiple personalities! I have had a topic, maybe two removed for posting the same thing twice, but I assure you , I have always been Joe k. or joe finds here and my e-mail address has always been the only one I've ever had. Just ask my therapist. only one of us here has changed
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 Posted 01/22/2010  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Admin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just to be clear. Joe is NOT a previously banned member as some may speculate.
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 Posted 01/22/2010  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay...I'm wrong about that.

Two and two were evidently put together by someone who privately alerted me that this member was also the banned 'jazzcoins joe'. Probably assumed because both people go by 'joe', both have similar issues with learning and listening, and this member showed up after 'jazzcoins joe' was banned - for the second time. Many coincidences that seem to add up, so I accepted that as true without further question.

So...to the Joe here, I do offer my sincere apologies for mistaking you as someone else. I am wrong, and perhaps should have asked Admin if there was a chance you were one in the same before listening to other members and sharing in their assumption.

Okay, well...enough of my rant. Enjoy your forum!
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 Posted 01/22/2010  3:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I suppose it's redundant to say anything at this point, BUT...
sometimes people also post questions simply to chat up with other collectors.
In other words--this coin forum is a "social network", as opposed to "anti-social network". And I like this place.
Nobody needs permission to ask a question--even if it's the 100th time.
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 Posted 01/22/2010  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Myself... I think the Forum's just GREAT...
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 Posted 01/22/2010  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I also mean no disrespect for any member asking questions on this forum. I do agree with Chuck however that multiple questions about the same coin from the same poster can get somewhat tiresome. If you remember a couple of months back I was personally berated by a CCF member for asking the question "What are you trying to show?". This response has been given sincerely many times by those of us trying to help by asking this very question. The individual that attacked me has left this forum, although he still posts on another one using a different name. As a final note to the thin skinned among us, chill out! This is supposed to be a FUN learning and social network.
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 Posted 01/22/2010  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bmanofnbc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If everybody took time to do all of the online research for every coin before they asked a question then this forum would be pretty dead....

We also have to consider that not everybody is a coin expert let alone Lincoln Cent specialist. Then there are also differences in eyesight and learning abilities. I know there are some things that I see one time and pick it right up and other things that take several attempts before I really get it.

I welcome any questions from any member on the forum, I just choose not to reply to some of them.
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 Posted 01/23/2010  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
one thing about online, you can't tell by the tone of their voice like you could if you were face to face when they are joking around. Some people aren't that good with writing down words so they don't get taken the wrong way. I have been in this situation many times where I was trying to make a funny and picking around but when it was read by some members they took it as a personal attack when in fact it was just said in jest but since all you do is read the comment and cant tell the expressions of the person its hard to tell if they are serious or saying things in a jokingly way
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 Posted 01/23/2010  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 909records to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i should probably not comment but what the heck
im kinda on the fence with this
i got hooked on coin collecting and varites about year and ahalf ago and this was the first board I joined and mr daughtry and others was very helpful and at times got me confused at some of the responces I got and if it was not for chuck I would have got more confused.like the thread about the 1917 DDO that I found that turned into a yes it is no it not and it turned out it was but I could have tossed it back in the pile .
but I have not posted alot on here any more because of the silly answers I was getting (looks like lincoln has the mumps)and I'm one that was on here to learn
but then again you should be able to post what ever they allow you post and you are right you don't have to reply to the post.
maybe they should have a section for people that want the real answer to there questions.like the ones chuck gives and others
that is kinda of topic I know.
but I'm on the fence not that it matters
so don't beat me up just my thoughts
co
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