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No Date Indian Cent Obverse Counter Brockage Error

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 Posted 06/22/2010  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Check robbudo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add robbudo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I noticed they didn't technically put the date of the indian with the counter brockage?
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 Posted 06/23/2010  12:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wish to give you a big congrats on the "Columbo investigative work you have achieved".

I of all the US types of coinage out there do not know much about the "Longacre" Cent, However I also would like to comment on the die breaks on both coins. I too feel your coin is 100% an EDS, compared to the other.

I see your coin has the clear as day break, "very" similar to the counter Brockage error coin you purchased, however, the breaks IMO, are similar but were struck hundreds, if not thousands of coins apart, also the breaks are oddly different in the most minute ways.

If you really examine the coins and the breaks, I believe you will also concur, I think from reading the post, many seem to feel the coins were struck very soon after another, I do not believe this to be a fact, while I am not trying to rain on this great find and super likeness to one another, I just know errors and die breaks and how they progress, Yes this is a very rare find, but I would like to hear from some of the error specialists about just how far apart "they" feel these were struck apart, this too would be another opinion, but I am NOT an expert on errors like Mr.D etal.

To address the possibility of the Obverses being the same, I would agree the probability is very high this would be of the same Obverse, Hence the date probability is strongly possible.

I would also like to know the "Most likely areas" that die breaks appear on this type coins Reverse? Please do not misunderstand my statements on this topic, I am a collector/Numismatist in training for four-decades and love the information I can obtain from just reading from the "experts" here everyday!!

I again would like to give my congrats on this pair of what I would call a rare set of relatives, LOL, LOL....Mike
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I noticed they didn't technically put the date of the indian with the counter brockage?


I noticed that too. I had hoped they were going to at least make a notation of the matching reverse characteristics. Something along the lines of "Matching reverse die cracks" or "Both coins struck with the same reverse die" would have been really cool. Something like that would have served to tie the two coins together and explain why they are a set.

In the end, I'm not terribly concerned with what's written on the label, especially if I decide to keep them. I still haven't decided whether or not I am going to keep or sell these.


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...however, the breaks IMO, are similar but were struck hundreds, if not thousands of coins apart...


I would agree with that statement 100%. It would think it would be impossible to know exactly how many coins were struck between these two. I don't know what the rate of Die Deterioration was back in 1900. I suppose there would be a lot of variables to take into account. One thing I am certain of is the fact they were struck with the same reverse die.

I just can't imagine a reverse die this badly cracked being carried over to the next year and used to strike 1901 cents. I suppose if a 1901 cent surfaced with these same characteristics, I might have to reconsider! LOL!

I appreciate your comments!
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CW - very educational post. good luck with the future prospects. I concur that Rick Snow is the guy to see. Haven't been a member too long, but I agree - Superdave has been around the block a time or two.
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