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brindlepug1 New Member United States 9 Posts	Posted 07/30/2006 12:55 am hello I have a 1886-o Morgan silver dollar that has 4 mint errors. I have had 3 coin experts look at it and they all said it's authentic. two tried to buy it from me and the other said I need to keep ahold of it because he wants to do some research on it. these experts said they have never come across a coin like this before and they could not give me a value. the errors on this coin are as fallows.. a double clip with the marks being at 11 o'clock and at 7 o'clock, it is missing a star under the chin on the face, the "y" in the crown is short and it is off centered. the condition of this coin, I would guess to be very fine the feathers on the eagle's breast are worn but that is all, everything else seems to be sharp. my questions are should I have this coin certified and where? do you know the aproxament value of this coin? and has any coins like this come up for auction that you know of? any info that you can give me would be greatly appreciated. thank you Image: morgan2.jpg 7.98 KB Image: Sunday, July 30, 2006 (3).jpg 6.81 KB Report this Post to the Staff

scoutjim99 Pillar of the Community United States 4589 Posts	Posted 07/30/2006 02:15 am It is Possible your picture is aliitle small to see the details you are referring to Sorry .Welcome to the forum . There are some serious Morgan nuts on hear who can proably give you the info from off the top of their head , but they will need bigger pictures. good luck and a responce may take some time do to the community being in different time zones and all have different schedules.. Report this Post to the Staff
bobby131313 Forum Dad United States 24174 Posts	Posted 07/30/2006 04:22 am We're surely going to need bigger pics. I've removed your other post, no need to post it twice. Shop CCF Members on eBay. Report this Post to the Staff
TLS5933 Pillar of the Community United States 1703 Posts	Posted 07/30/2006 08:01 am brindelpug1, I sure hope you can post some larger clear pictures. I would be very interested in seeing this Morgan. Report this Post to the Staff
brindlepug1 New Member United States 9 Posts	Posted 07/30/2006 09:08 am how do I make bigger better pics? I only have a scanner Report this Post to the Staff
brindlepug1 New Member United States 9 Posts	Posted 07/30/2006 09:28 am hello I will post larger pics of the morgan later today my dad has a camera that can take the kind of pics needed. Report this Post to the Staff
Irishraider Pillar of the Community United States 1454 Posts	Posted 07/30/2006 09:35 am Yeh, scanners aren't too great when trying to get alot of detail. I have tried again and again. A digital camera is definitely the way to go. If you have time you can read this article posted by another one of our members. It is a really good resource for taking coin pictures. http://browncopper.com/photography.html Report this Post to the Staff
brindlepug1 New Member United States 9 Posts	Posted 07/30/2006 09:40 am thank you for the info Report this Post to the Staff
gxseries Pillar of the Community Australia 3831 Posts	Posted 07/30/2006 1:50 pm I am not too sure why your scanner took the image awfully small. You might want to increase the resolution, i.e. dpi from 150 to the maximum your scanner can handle. My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseries My numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htm Regularly updated at least once a month. Report this Post to the Staff
Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 07/30/2006 2:06 pm would also need another picture of the obverse because the first one doesn't show up. I am no expert on morgans but am half way knowledgable on them so if you can post some better pictures I will do my best to help Report this Post to the Staff
brindlepug1 New Member United States 9 Posts	Posted 07/30/2006 4:39 pm here are some larger pics, I hope they help Image: MVC-830F.jpg 50.89 KB Image: MVC-833F.jpg 38.3 KB Image: P7312.jpg 98.95 KB Image: P730012.jpg 5.93 KB Image: P7300012.jpg 9.9 KB Report this Post to the Staff
Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 07/30/2006 6:58 pm hmm, from the pictures it doesn't look like a mint clip, it looks like it has been hit on something because the ridges around the rim follow the dent and arent clipped off like they would be with a cip error, the missing star may just be from a die fill and isn't much of a find. I am no expert on errors but that is just my opinion from the pictures you provided Report this Post to the Staff
Irishraider Pillar of the Community United States 1454 Posts	Posted 07/30/2006 7:08 pm The strike on some O or New Orleans minted Morgans were weak. This could account for some of it but I am no expert on Morgans. Maybe a filled die where that particular star was which could explain the clip also. However I will let the Morgan guys have their go. Without the missing star, clip the weird Y and such and in the condition it is in, and this is only for reference mind you, I put it at at least a VF-30 which would make the approximate value $22-23 dollars. Of course you get the rest of it verified it could go for a little more to some of the VAM or error collectors. Report this Post to the Staff
Becky Pillar of the Community United States 954 Posts	Posted 07/30/2006 10:02 pm Who is it that you had look at this coin? I am sorry, but I don't believe it is real. I think you have a damaged fake. Report this Post to the Staff
Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 07/30/2006 10:46 pm I dont know if its fake or not but Becky is better at that part than I am but I do definately beleive (if its real) it is post mint damage and not a clip as you were told. If I were you I would get on the phone with these "experts" and lay the coin on them in a hurry because if they claim to be experts and think this coin is a clip error then they deserve what they end up with. Nah after cooling down a bit I dont think you should sell it for something its not unless they just insist it is what they are saying it is even after you tell them what you have been told then its their own stupidity and if they still want to buy it well then I guess they get what they deserve with the coin. But I have studied ALOT of Morgans and especially Morgan VAM's and it is definately my opinion that this is in no way shape or form a mint error, of course I dont proclaim myself to be an expert, but I definately know a pretty good bit about Morgans (even though I dont know alot about forgeries especially from pictures like yours) and yours does look like it has been hit with something and made that area flat not something that has been clipped off at the mint Report this Post to the Staff
Irishraider Pillar of the Community United States 1454 Posts	Posted 07/30/2006 11:03 pm Yeh, the more I look at it it appears to be a forgery. Swamperbob is really good at detecting counterfeits. Just from your pic anyway those dentils almost look cast and not struck. The rest of the rim just looks out of whack also as I look around the whole perimeter of it. It all just doesn't look right. There is too much detail in the hair compared to the rest of it. Gives it that uneven wear look. When you compare that to the Eagle's breast feathers on the reverse it just kind of catches your eye. There seems like there should be more feather detail as compared to the front hair detail. Don't want to explicitly state that it is a fake and experts would need to take a closer look in person probably but the coin just doesn't look right as compared to some of the O Morgan mints that I have and from all the pictures of genuine Morgans I have seen posted here in this forum. Sorry about that. Report this Post to the Staff
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