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I Purchased this off the street sometime in the early 1980's. I was a Buyer of Precious metals and diamonds at the time. It has been stashed away since then. I know just enough about grading to know that I am not qualified to make a well educated guess on this one. I just don't know how to accurately describe it or if it is worth the cost to have it slabbed. Best I can tell it is a VAM 29. I have plenty of photos but at 100K max they may be a bit small. All comments and advice will be appreciated.   I will post detail pic's but need to resize them. Thanks to all |
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 to the community, Not an expert on VAM's, but it looks like a VAM-1B. As far as I can tell the grade looks to be MS-63. Edited by echizento
07/31/2010 5:29 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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1b for sure, but I cant see the polish line for it to make VAM 29, the picture is not clear or close enough |
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MS63. Welcome!
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Thank you all. I will try for a better picture of the Short vertical polishing line above left wreath ribbon. It looks to be a tiny little thing under 10x loupe.
Regarding the proof like appearance what can be said about that?
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Pillar of the Community
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Its hard to say so for sure when the pics are not up to show the mirror effect. DMPL looks just like it says..like your looking in a mirror, and PL has some of the mirror reflectivity, it should also be noted high end normal coins have the cartwheel which as you tilt your coin back and forth there is like a shine that moves around the coin like some of the new wheels you see on cars..A mirrored surface is just that, the whole perifial of the coin looks back at you at once..there is a grading standard of how many inches the coin will reflect, but that has changed from time to time these are just general principles
I'll check of some photo's
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Bedrock of the Community
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I think you are looking at cartwheel instead of prooflike surfaces. cartwheel is great because it means its as minted and reflects colors and you tilt the coin, Pl and DMPL are different where they look as a mirror would reflecting in the coin. This is an example of DMPL and you can see how the fields reflect almost like a mirror  |
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Is this more like what you needed to see?   I will try for a reflection picture next |
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A constant learning experience. Suspect I can get a better picture than this. This was a .6 second exposure taken in avaiable room light ISO 200  |
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Pillar of the Community
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that is much better and does look PL, photo's are hard to take if you don't have the right setup and lighting, My camera is a 2004 model, though it takes good close up pictures I can't get the color right its a battle. for your coin the rev pic is much better but I don't see the polish line on the right between the bow and wreath..BUT....polishing lines are very hard to take photo's of if you don;t have the light and the angle just right..I have copied the VM pic where it can be seen  \now that you can see it play with your lighting and the angle your trying to capture and see if its there, most of the pictures of the FINE POINTS are taken with Micro scopes....Though there are cameras out there that can capture it if you have enough money.... I'm in it for the love of the game, not the money. like many here.. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I agree this coin does look to have at least PL surfaces in the other set of pictures which I have to say is pretty amazing for a 1878-CC Morgan as you do not see them very often Quote:
most of the pictures of the FINE POINTS are taken with Micro scopes....Though there are cameras out there that can capture it if you have enough money.... this is a myth. you do not have to have an expensive camera to get good shots of any specific part of a coin. I use a 3.2Mp JVC point and shoot camera and I can get as close as I want to the coin and can get any show good enough to see any detail you would ever want. here is an example  |
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One surface does not prooflike make, we need the same depth on the other side of the coin to be sure.
its a nice coin, in MS-63 grade from the photo's in hand the horsepower may be different than the photo's indicate.
gotta love the happen-stance of coins !
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One understanding I have for the grading of PL and DMPL coins is that both sides of the coin have to have the same reflectivity in the field surfaces in order to qualify for a PL or DMPL grade. DMPL requires you to be able to see a reflected image at a minimum depth of 12 inches I believe. PL would be something less than that. If the obverse has reflectivity to 6 inches and the reverse (typically the best side for all Morgans due to how they came out of the minting press) has reflectivity to 12 inches, the coin will not grade DMPL. I'll go out on a limb and say that PL has to have reflectivity to a depth of 6-10 inches. I'm sure there is someone out there with more expertise that could clarify this.
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Posted 07/31/2010 5:28 pm
