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1870 S Seated Liberty Dime

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 Posted 08/06/2010  10:01 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Folks, I just bought this coin last night, so I don't have it in hand, and have to use the seller's photos.
Judging from the photos, what grade do you think you would assign it if it were your coin?
The obverse shows signs of circulation wear, scratches, is discolored, has small digs in it, is weak in the area between 2 and 3 o'clock "F AM in OF AMERICA".
The reverse also show signs of circulation, and is weak in the center...given the remaining detail on the rest of the reverse, I feel this may be due to strike weakness rather than wear.
In my opinion, not a bad looking coin, and another hole filled in my set - 19 to go....slowly, but surely, I'm getting closer to completion; however, the ones I'm missing are costly so I'm only able to get one (when I can find them) every once in awhile.

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 Posted 08/06/2010  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow Ralph, that one is a toughie
It appears to have EF details but rough surfaces and a few scratches. However, one on a budget cannot be too picky with a coin like this(Heritage has only sold 50) so I think you did pretty good. The reverse center weakness was prominent on a number of the Heritage coins as well so I have to assume it is either a striking or die issue and not weird wear. Now you just need to find an 1870-S Half Dime to go with it
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 Posted 08/06/2010  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mattbrowning7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with weak strike

XF-45 is my guess. maybe some corrosion? Great pick up!
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 Posted 08/06/2010  12:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would also say it is XF45.
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08/06/2010 12:40 pm
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 Posted 08/06/2010  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mycrob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, very nice key date coin! I agree with EF and weak strike
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 Posted 08/06/2010  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What's the luster like? Looks almost AU.
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I looked up your completed listing on ebay and saw the seller had described it as a raw, VF coin with problems.

I know, I cheated.

The coin has close to AU50 details. That said, the coin does have problems beyond the weak strike with the porosity (pinholes) on the obverse being the most prominent. So, a VF net grade is appropriate.

The price you paid is a bit on the high side. I would not have paid $600 for this piece and would value it around $400. You will need to decide if the issues this coin has warrant a return.
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 Posted 08/06/2010  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
that's a nice looking coin, I am not godd at grading these but I would agree EF
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 Posted 08/06/2010  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paleoguy45 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm going for EF-45 with environmental damage. Nice coin though.
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 Posted 08/06/2010  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
biokemist6,

An 1870 S Half Dime? Wouldn't that be a "unique" experience?

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 Posted 08/06/2010  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
bherring1964,

Not a problem with you checking out the auction on ebay; however, I think when a person does that, they are cheating themselves in that they are often influenced by the sellers info rather than honing their grading skills here in the forum, and I believe that is what this forum is about.
Now, with that said, I will move along to your next point - I don't believe there is such a thing as net grade anymore, is there? I believe I read somewhere right here on Coin Community Forum that the major TPGs will no longer assign a net grade to a coin. If I remember correctly, the TPG will assign a grade, and make a notation on the insert as to what problems are associated with the coin.
As to the price, I would have loved to get this coin for $400. but it seems that, invariably, there is always a sniper lurking in the bushes who tries to steal the coin in the last few seconds. But, then, I guess thats just part of the ebay experience. Anyway, snipers aside, the cost was actually less than $600. with free shipping.
Return it? I can't think of a reason in the world why I would. This is the first 1870 S I've seen on ebay since I started putting my circulated set of Seated Liberty dimes together last year. It's just one of those coins you don't see all that often, and, frankly, I'm happy to have it.
I would point out that I collect coins because I truly enjoy collecting coins. I don't concern myself with resale value because I have no intention of selling my collection. This is my accomplishment, and it will be passed on in time, and, hopefully, be enjoyed by the next generation.

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 Posted 08/06/2010  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ralph,

Sorry if I offended you. Will not comment on your threads in the future.



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 Posted 08/06/2010  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with AU50, weak strike especially reverse, possible corrosion albeit light.
BTW, I personally never believed in "net" grading. Unless horribly corroded, the coin has a grade, and a problem associated with it.
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 Posted 08/06/2010  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
bherring1964, your post did not offend me in any way. I was merely answering your post in what I felt was the best way I know how. Please feel free to critique any and all coins I post. You are entitled to your opinion just the same as every other member of the forum family. Afterall, grading a coin is really nothing more than an individual's opinion of what he/she thinks the coin will grade. Granted, there are some alot better at it than others...I belong to the latter group, so I read, and appreciate all comments on the coins I post. Thank you for resaponding to my post.

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 Posted 08/06/2010  10:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Prethen, I can't comment on the luster, yet. Just bought it last night, and got a message this morning informing me that it had been mailed. Should get it sometime early next week - I'll get back to you then.

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 Posted 08/07/2010  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dcreek1968 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ralph, that is truly a great coin. My first impression on grade was a weak strike, but insufficient detail on the reverse leaves to get it to EF 45. I like EF40 myself. Also, I think your assessment is correct on "net grading". I don't think the TPG's do that anymore deferring instead to either the PCGS "genuine" tag or a "details" grade that is non-specific as to assigning any kind of number. Super buy - my $.02
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