Why Am I A VAM Enthusiast?

I don't think it's a clash mark, it's the place where the die failed because it was clashed there too many times. Smack it with that G 20-50xx times and a piece falls out. Could have been a bubble under there which would tend to lean the shape that way, or could have been the shape of the G (or just the opposing die) smack-banging at a weak spot right at the neck edge until it finally gave. Maybe what they are calling rust pitting is leftover teeny pieces from these chunks breaking away - particles get stuck on the die faces. (no, I'm not looking to re-open that rust debate)

Think of a Cud.. only on the inside of the die rather than the edge. And actually, it *is* on an edge.. a design edge.

Just some thoughts.. I'm tired so probably rambling.

Whether we come to agreement or not on a cause, I like the fact that you have an open mind and are thinking with it xshift. I like that a lot.

Good man Gene. Evidently you were able to pick up on what I was trying to say earlier. I had doubts that anyone would.

Gene, I really hate to do this while you are searching for something on my account, but I am very, very tired and sleepy. I had a horrible day, I got my feathers ruffled early and showed my rear, took me all day to smooth out those tail feathers..... at one point I thought Dave was going to eat me (because I am crunchy and taste good with mustard......actually, I might taste pretty good even without mustard if I do say so myself). Anyway, I will try to hang for another five minutes and wait for you. Please don't be mad at me if I can't live up to that promise though.

First one must identify the area, in this case, I think all can agree
is a common reverse "arc'ed" clash in the wreath area, arcing into the center or curved towards the center...Pic 1 an 1887 just for a common reference point of a commonly seen reverse clashing.


now I would point out as I look at an overlay, and this one is of the 7.2 degree's rotation, really does not influence the arc for point of reference.. the ARC is a known clashing feature. not a major feature but a re-occurring feature....LET US ALSO remember, that all the lettering and OBV and REV above the "minted" coins are actually below the surface level of the coin die, or "recessed" within the die......
I don't mean top waste time, but simply include a lot of the areas or why's which this one topic covers...this topic covers not only clashing but I will use the term "die failures" for this thread only...
At this point we have only established one thing for the reverse: that this arc is a found in many vams.....Me being stupid, will now introduce the overlay....


now for the life of me, I can't see where the "ARC" which IS an OBV impression from clashing showing up on the reverse die...
SO from the many here, who also understand more than I, I would like to know how the "arc" or where it comes from...its not apparent from the overlay....From there we can look upon the other issues

the fact is, this clash on the reverse is a normal occurrence... its not comical. but the basis of this discussion.....If you haven't grasped that its ok..

Thanks xshift, and thanks Gene. Catch you all later.
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You VAM guys would go well at some Numismatic Department of a major museum.

That sort of attention to detail is just what is required in die linking studies with ancient coins.

That might be true for some of the guys here, but I must take personal exception to that notion......Endowed with an extremely short attention span, a low IQ, and a ridiculously quick temper, my first day in a museum would surely end in tragedy as I threw coins and artifacts, breaking glass and physically attacking coworkers in fits of rage. I am also of very small stature, so my biggest concern would be retaliation from those who might choose to go beyond frowning on my actions.......Nope, no museum work for me. I am lucky that I am not yet banned as a mere visitor.

edited for spelling