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Valued Member
United States
327 Posts |
I'm not sure what the average age is here but at 45, I'm beginning to change my collecting habits. For a long time, I would just collect whatever series sounded good. I would go to police auctions and buy the bags that had coins in them, but had never taken the time to organize anything. In my 20's I thought I was going to live forever  Recently, I have begun using coin software to keep track of what I have, what I paid, and what it's worth. I know that once I die I probably won't be watching what goes on down here. Nevertheless, I could see how a widow and 2 children could be taken advantage of when and if they decide to sell this estate. So anyway, I'm assigning everything an item number which should make it much easier. Here is a question though. Recently I bought a Dansco for Washington quarters. Not the State Quarters but the older ones. I already have albums for Roosevelt dimes, Jefferson nickels, and of course lincoln cents. Aside from my Lincoln collection, I haven't done much with the others. I've bought some proofs here and there but that's about it. I have a sizable amount of mint and proof sets. I had been thinking about breaking them up to put in albums. Okay, I know I said there was a question coming and I lied before but here is the question. If for some reason I pass away, would it be easier for family to sell off mint and proof sets or Dansco albums with coins in them? I'm guessing it would be easier for them to sell off the sets. Otherwise it would require that someone take the time to grade each coin, etc. I know that it's fun to fill Danscos but frankly, I am the only one who looks at them. For once in my life, I'd like to make it easier on my wonderful wife and kids. I know this sounds a little depressing and I apologize for that. Health issues have kept me sidelined for some time and it's given me time to think. I welcome your thoughts and suggestions.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
564 Posts |
That's some heavy stuff my friend. I don't know what would be best. I think proof coins fetch more when they are removed from the package. I think if you make it look good a nice proof collection in a album might fetch a bit more. I would say do what makes you happy. Your family will remember dad working on his coins. Come to think of it I would rather have dads proof album he worked on rather than his 30 proof sets in the mint box.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Well John, I asked my wife what she would do with my collection in the event I was to pass. She said that she would save them and pass them on to our grand kids, when and if we have any. But if they were to sell them, I would get to know a reputable auctioneer that sells a lot of coins at auction from time to time. I think your family would receive the prices this way with minimal hassle. A small lot of individual proofs or unc's would probably bring more than intact sets would. For example, I see a 70D Kennedy go for $10-$12 at auction and the 70 mint set sell in the same price range the very next week. But at a brick and mortar auction price will also depend on the crowd that attends also. No collectors or dealers means low bids. So if this route is taken try and find someone who also puts their items up for internet proxy bidding also.
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Valued Member
United States
376 Posts |
I'm starting to think along those same lines. I'm 55, post liver transplant, severe diabetic with kidney failure and I worry that my wife will be taken advantage of when she sells off my collection. Maybe she won't have to sell it but that's probably naive thinking on my part as she will outlive me by quite a few years most likely and money will become an issue. She doesn't have a clue as to the collections worth. I have to come up with some sort of a game plan and very soon to make sure she gets the most out of many hours of trying to get the best deals I could get. I've started to organize some but I have much work ahead of me to make this as simple as possible for her. My Indian cents are in a Dansco but the rest is a mess!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2661 Posts |
Quote:My Indian cents are in a Dansco but the rest is a mess! I know how feel brother. I have most of my dollars in a Dansco and couple of thousand assorted U.S./world coins in 2x2's and several more thousand loose that I work on when I get the time. All the valuable stuff is housed at the bank and luckily my wife has a good idea as to the total value (she is a currency, silver eagle, silver panda collector) so there is some interest in my hobby on her part.
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Valued Member
Canada
307 Posts |
 heavy topic....I have found that most modern proofs singles are priced higher than the set. I love the idea of the coin software and the assigning a number. Quote: Otherwise it would require that someone take the time to grade each coin, Anybody with experience that is evaluating your coins after your no longer using them....ummm after your gone. will be able to go through it fairly quickly so the time factor should not be too big of a deal.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2541 Posts |
I'm in favour of the albums. Like a couple of other people have mentioned, there's more of a personal touch to it rather than just a bunch of stuff in mint packaging. I think it makes sense to give your loved ones an idea of the "retail" value of the collection, and then the value that you'd get for selling it to a dealer. Once you have things organized, perhaps bring the list to a couple of different dealers to get an idea of what you'd get.
Your loved ones would do better auctioning the coins off on e-bay or other such forum, but of course that requires a lot of work and I'm sure some would rather just take the coins to a store and sell them in one go. My ultimate hope is that my son/grandchildren will treasure the collection. My goal is to keep my overall number of coins low and focus on quality. There are already some things I'm thinking about selling and reinvesting into some higher value coins. A collection of 50 coins is easier to keep than 8 trash bags full of random stuff!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
8904 Posts |
I went through my Dansco albums, graded the coins, compared the grade to the RedBook price and put it all on an Excel spreadsheet. This way my wife would at least have an idea which of the coins have key potential and which don't. I then had my spreadsheets verified by a coin inspector. (He agreed with all my grades except one Morgan he thought was polished. Pretty good for me I thought! He took almost 4 hours to go through everything!) I know it sounds morbid, but the last thing I want (if I die) is all my careful study and investing in these coins to go to waste and someone to take advantage of my wife in a time of extreme duress. I think of it as protecting my wife and family. AND make sure she knows where the spreadsheets are and what your information/codes mean!!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
Quote: I know this sounds a little depressing and I apologize for that. Health issues have kept me sidelined for some time and it's given me time to think. I welcome your thoughts and suggestions.
Not at all depressing. Should be thought of by anyone with any hobby that accumulates items of value. Since I'm on the older side my collection varies from mostly Whitman Albums, two row Red Whitman boxes for 2x2's, boxes of just lots of stuff including Proof and Uncir sets. Since I've been collecting for a long, long time it just never occurred to me when I was young that someday, someone would try to figure out what to do with it all. My Son and his Wife have no idea about coins, don't want to know about coins, don't care about coins and there just isn't anyone else. Mostly every one else is now gone. So what happens to all this stuff? Every time I mention my safe deposit boxes to my Som he just says OK, Yeah, OK. No real interest. Now here to is a scarry subject. In todays papers there is this frequntly published pile of lost valuables. It's called Do We Have Your Money? and it's published by the State Treasurer. 152 pages of very small print with thousands and thousands of names of people where their names appeared on safe deposit boxes or bank accounts and now abandonded. If you ever lived in Illinois, you should try to look up your name in this list. If you can't find that list, try https://www.treasurer.il.gov I wonder if in the near future my name will be there and no one would care of notice since any relatives are in other states. There is a copy of a will in each of my safe deposit boxes but if no one is around to open them, so what. And then one more scarry thought. All these years of collecting and my Son or whoever just dumping the entire collection in a banks counting machine. Not sure of a solution. To old to start worrying now.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
2448 Posts |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most coins considered more valuable if they're still in their original mint packaging?
Like you guys, I don't want my sons to loose money on the transaction and plan to catalog all my coins and their general retail, not blue book, price. In the description of the coin, I'll give them the reference I used and where to go to get the current prices.
Selling a coin collection is probably somewhat like selling a house; everyone may not be thrilled at the way you decorated.
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Pillar of the Community
Luxembourg
588 Posts |
I believe the most important thing to do is inform your relatives about the value of the collection and the way to sell them if needed. This will depend on the collection you have. Standard sets will probably be best sold on ebay or such. High value collection will be better sold by a professional auctioneer specialized on the theme of your collection.
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Valued Member
United States
320 Posts |
In that situation, I think ease of selling is probably just as important as maximum price. I would leave them in the original packaging. You might get more if they were broken out, but they'd be harder to sell. And harder to sell often means a lower price, particularly when there's an immediate need to sell and someone who's not knowledgeable. And there might be an immediate need, I'd assume that selling would probably be a last resort type of thing, which would unfortunately place them at a disadvantage. Also, for someone who's not knowledgeable even if they got top dollar they mightn't necessarily know it & may still have feelings of guilt for letting it go too cheap.
With all that said, what I'd do in your situation is scrap the software idea. I know it's easier to keep track of everything with software, but you also have to worry about things like what if the hard drive crashes, or they upgrade computers between now and the time they might sell, since hopefully it will be a long time... or the learning curve on the software itself...no, you want to make it as easy as possible.
I'd first go for anything particularly valuable(IE over $15 per coin, or whatever value limit you might have)... place those all in one box or area. Label the box "expensive" stuff. Place each in a 2x2, put today's date, a value,and any special notes on it. IE Walking liberty quarter. VF. $65. 8/29/2010
I say do the loose ones first because mint sets tend to have a stable value and tend to sell more like a commodity-- ie they take less knowledge to sell than loose coins. So in most cases loose coins are more important to assign the value to. Then I'd do the mint sets, which again I'd leave everything in the original packaging.
Get a piece of acid free paper and maybe an acid-free pen, look at each set and write down the approximate retail amount you would reasonably expect to sell it for. Maybe include both a retail and a "do not take less than this" price. Then if there is something specifically special about that set (ie it's pre-1971 and has a deep cameo) write that down too, so that it is known. Then slip that inside the envelope or box that way each one has a slip.
Date everything too, so that (hopefully) if it is many years from now, whoever is looking will know if those prices are out of date and if so then they can proceed a different route or maybe inflate it by a certain percentage. And maybe also place the current silver value in there as needed--just a note that silver coins are worth 13x face value as of today. That way if it is many years down the road (hopefully) then they can have some idea of how out-of-date things are, and update the values appropriately.
A typical slip might be "1956 proof set. Retail value $X amount. Above normal value for this set because the half dollar has a cameo effect. Silver value alone is $xx as of 8/29/2010.
If it did come down to selling, all of this would help tremendously because it's easy. The value is right there on the item, in your handwriting. They know if they sold it for that amount or close to it that you'd be OK with that. The last thing anyone left would want is to feel like they gave stuff away "in your eyes" because even then yours is going to be the opinion that would matter.
And, the other nice thing about this, is if you're assigning the value, it may incite you to look closer at what you have, and you might see stuff you forgot about or notice details you never looked at before! Can't tell you how many times that's happened to me.
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Valued Member
 United States
327 Posts |
Great responses and amazing how different the opinions are. I suppose that for each of us, the circumstances may be different and there is no pat answer. I completely embrace my idea of using software for several reasons. First, the software creates an item number for every single coin or set. There is also a drop down menu to indicate whether the coin is in an album, 2x2, etc. The software provides an area to list how much I paid and is updated periodically to show what the coin or set is worth. I may not always use software but for now, it's the best way for me to stay organized and also have an idea of what it's all worth. Another one you mentioned using a spreadsheet which is perfectly fine. I just want some documentation for a family member to use. I have spoke to my wife about this and told her that taking it all to a coin shop or pawn shop might be the easiest way, but it will likely be a poor financial decision. My wife has a working knowledge of ebay and if time is not of the essence, that may be the way to go. Or, maybe listing it here!  And that's where I get stuck. Some of you believe that opening sets and displaying them in an album might be the best way. Especially if the single coins have value and there's no hurry. But, since I am speaking mostly about modern series coins, selling a 1975D Lincoln Cent uncirculated, may not make much sense. A 1974 mint set on ebay may make more sense. A few of you mentioned that my children (now 10 and 11), might want my Lincoln set as a keepsake, opposed to a mint or proof set new in package. The older of the two does actively collect and we make bank runs each week or so. She knows what my Lincoln set means to me and she may like to have it.I could see them putting some if aside as a keepsake and the rest treated as an investment. My business and insurance will take care of them financially. But, left uneducated, it's quite possible Gothic Florin made a good point about collecting quality versus quantity pieces. Like many of you, I have a bunch of cheap silver coins and boxes of copper lincolns around, but I would really like to start focusing more on quality and perhaps consolidate some older Morgans, Peace dollars and the like, in favor of investment quality type pieces. I really hate slabbed coins but I think there are still some great investment opportunities out there without having to necessarily having to slab everything.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1304 Posts |
I have been thinking about this subject for awhile now. My wife knows exactly what we have in our coin collection as she was the one who took care of it after her father passed away. She made a list of everything and where it is located. Since I have been collecting I write down what I have paid for each item. Except for a few minor glitches it works pretty good.
My daughter shows no interest in the coins and I am sure would be taken advantage of if she had to sell them. My wife on the other hand knows about CCF and I have told her that if she needed to sell this would be a good place to do it, she understand Greysheets and how to put a reasonable price on coins. I have been buying mostly slabbed coins to make it easier for her.
We have talked about 10 years from now, I will be 66 then, of selling alot of the collection and using the money to take trips and enjoy ourselves. Whatevers left after we are gone the daughter gets.
I like the idea of downsizing and buying better grades of coins but the wife, in case things get bad, likes the thought of having silver around.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote:I may not always use software but for now, it's the best way for me to stay organized and also have an idea of what it's all worth. Another one you mentioned using a spreadsheet which is perfectly fine. I just want some documentation for a family member to use. I have spoke to my wife about this and told her that taking it all to a coin shop or pawn shop might be the easiest way, but it will likely be a poor financial decision. My wife has a working knowledge of ebay and if time is not of the essence, that may be the way to go. Or, maybe listing it here! Tabulating everthing possible is OK for someone with a limited collection. In my case it would take a massive amount of work to just document everything. For example I know I have well over 3,000 Mercury dimes and many in 12 Whitman Albums. Others in 2x2's or plastic rolls. And that is just one small item. To document in any software program everything would take me the rest of what is left of my life and for what? Someone sees it and then what? Take everything to a coin store and get 20% of it all? If whoever receives your collection of anything has no idea of what it amounts to, the end results are dismal. As an example some time ago someone I knew passed away. He was a small arms instructor in the Army so he had a really massive collection of guns, ammunition, loading equipment and lots of other associated items. Many of his guns were from WW2 and in Mint condition. His family had no idea of all of it's value so they contacted a gun store who sent a man over and he estimated the value as $1,000.00. The family took that and that store took it all away. Even one Mauser Broomhandle was worth more than that. Possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars lost there. If whoever receives a coin collection with no interest and/or knowledge of it's value, a similar situation WILL happen. Worse yet as you get old and everyone moves away or has passed away and now your alone. So then something happens to you and the police or fire department breaks in and everything is now just GONE.
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Moderator
 United States
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I have everything in Dansco albums. I also keep a spreadsheet with values, although I only update it once a year at best. My collection will not make my wife or son rich, so my hope is that the sentimental value will win out. I hope they appreciate having something that I cherished and that they will keep the collection intact.
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