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 Posted 08/12/2006  01:07 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add lan01006 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
check this out at ebay... heres the link http://www.ebay.ph/viItem?ItemId=250017201010 another of those counterfeit or the real Mccoy
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 Posted 08/12/2006  01:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add adobero1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My first question would be " if this is an American cent, where is the one cent on the reverse?" The seller may think he has a cent. It looks like maybe there are some telltale bubbles around the B and E of Liberty.
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it has the design of a bust dollar. here is what a 1803 Bust cent looks like
1804-US-Coin
1804-US-Coin

And here is a Bust dollar
1804-US-Coin
1804-US-Coin

That being said it still doesn't look quite right to me for some reason
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I dont think it is real either. I see the bubbles and it looks like the edge bump things (not sure what it is called) looks out of pattern
Maybe swamperbob will chime in and give us some tips

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 Posted 08/12/2006  03:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Needless to say it's a counterfeit. I don't remember dollar coins were that perfectly circular as well as, if the reverse is supposely wear, how would you explain the "sharp" reeded edges?
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 Posted 08/12/2006  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bidding's at PhP5,100 = A$130 or US$100. 7 bids so far.

The seller asks that there be "NO JOY BIDDERS PLEASE". I don't think they've got anything to worry about - the winning bidder isn't going to have much joy if/when he/she ever finds out it's fake...
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If it's a fake, shouldn't ebay be informed of this and the auction pulled? But with ebay, I musn't get my hopes up. Anybody want to try and convince ebay that the coin is a fake?
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Since there were only about 15 made and they're all proofs, I'd bet a wooden nickel it's fake.

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 Posted 08/12/2006  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fengk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, he's selling it as a cent. If it were an 1804 dollar, I doubt anybody would be stupid enough to bid on it.
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Yeah, I understand he's selling it as a cent. This is a frequent scammers ploy. If he were to list it as an 1804 dollar it would be yanked within 24 hours.

This way is less likely to be found out, he'll get the people that go "OH my God, this guy has no idea what he has!" that will bid it up.

There goes another counterfeit on ebay.

The coin is absolutely a counterfeit 1804 dollar.

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 Posted 08/12/2006  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Real

1804-US-Coin

Fake

1804-US-Coin


Just take a look at a few of the areas I circled, for starters.



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 Posted 08/12/2006  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fengk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yes, those do scream out to be fakes. That and the fact that you'd have to be out of your mind to sell a raw 1804 dollar on ebay.
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 Posted 08/13/2006  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I reported the auction to ebay.ph this morning. I received an email that the appropriate action had been taken, however the auction is now showing as a legitimate ended auction which means the winning bidder is going to be held responsible to complete the transaction or risk a negative feedback rating. I sent an email to ebay.ph to this effect. We'll see what they have to say.
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That's awesome Susan!It makes me proud to be a member of a forum who's "Mom" not only looks out for us,but others as well.
:) sn31.
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 Posted 08/13/2006  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


A $490 paper weight.

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Well, of course I never heard anything else from ebay.ph. They also have not pulled the auction yet which would release the winning bidder from completing the transaction. I have no idea what "appropriate action" they could have taken since the seller is still selling. I'm very disappointed - not surprised, but disappointed.
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