Is That What They Teach To Some People?

October 8, 2010 is the ship date and it's October 26... that's only 18 days and maybe 14 business days. I have also never had problems with purchases from Turkey(usually requiring a delivery signature), and the only PayPal/ebay claims I've made in like 8 years were insured shipments... one lost in Canada and one in the U.S... much hoop jumping, but postal insurance came through for the sellers in both instances. Both claims were duly noted as nothing personal, just business... and I want to help in the instances of postal insurance claims if required. Refunds were prompt and quite pleasant... as our feedbacks spoke for themselves. The best of a bad situation was resolved amicably for both parties...

Let me meander further. On a recent purchase from Greece... the total postal transit time from drop to delivery was 27 days. Think overseas delivery, cutoms re-route, customs request for inspection then to delivery.

You have 45 days to make a PayPal claim... I don't even consider such a thing till after 30 days. I live in Canada and 3 weeks for overseas mail is not uncommon and I don't even start sweatin' it till the forth week... and often enough, lo and behold thar she be!

So, seems a little premature to me to be getting a refund, but you can...
1)Accept the refund AND assure the seller that if the item does show up you will IMMEDIATELY remit repayment for said item, and of course do so if said item arrives.

2)If you can get to a diplomatic level, you can agree to split the loss, as you both accepted the risk of regular mail.

3)You can request that the seller appologize in which case you will decline the refund.

I do agree with you that for someone to post such remarks, as opposed to maybe just thinking them, is is is... not pleasant indeed, but perhaps after a little cooling off period a retraction would be appropriate. Anger can make some do shameful things. Sometimes, maybe that lost $45 can be the best money you ever spent. And thankfully not significantly more was lost.

Bonne Chance MonAmi! and let us know if cooler heads prevail

I know its infuriating to have to deal with someone like that, who is gratuitously insulting and mean. But what are you going to do? The world is full of nasty people, and sooner or later buying and selling online you are going to run across such. Fortunately, the world is also full of good people, and you'll have the good fortune of running across that sort too.

Take the refund and put the issue behind you. You're not going to change the person, and there's really no value to anyone in acting out of spite.

If he continues to insult and harass you with many messages, contact someone at ebay. One nastygram is just a person venting. A string of them strikes me as abuse.

OK Some more information about six messages dealer sent me in an hour.

We let the seller know you didn't receive the item. The seller offered you a full refund of $45.49 to be issued through the same payment method you used to pay for the item.

Refund information:
A full refund of $45.49 through the payment method used to pay for the item.

Seller's note:
"I never ever offered any full refund. I sent the item to the address provided. The label was printed clearly in large computer type. This buyer lied to ebay about contacting me. HE NEVER HAS SENT ANY DIRECT EMAIL TO ME AT ALL or INDIRECTLY through EBAY> This is a big fat lie. ONE LIE AND YOU LOSE THE CASE. you lie , you lose, and you did lie. you never sent any email to me to this moment. I have 3 documents showing this coin was sent. No delivery confirmation is possible to Turkey from the USA. You knew this. ebay is rampant with phony claims for non-reciept. Sellers are being robbed by characters like this buyer. Turkey is a nation of thieves and crooks, that is true 100 percent. Other sellers warned me, but I took a chance and this is my reward, a phony claim.Never again do I mail overseas any coin. I am tired of being ROBBED by ebay buyers with phony refund claims. This is 2 in one week now. 15 yrs of honest selling on ebay no problems, now everybody wants a refund. Enough! "

This person is not credible at all. The clerk at the montclair post office states it takes 2-4 weeks for mail to arrive at a small town in Turkey. It is well known Turkey has a slow mail system. However this person has jumped the gun and not provided sufficient time for the item to arrive. He wants money from the seller, and no doubt either has received the item or will receive the item shortly. It has only been 15 days since leaving Florida at the overseas mailing facility there in Locka, Florida. That is NOT enough time to allow for slow Turkish small town mail to arrive, especially in rural areas. This item will or already has no doubt arrived there. I never ever promised to refund anything, nor will I since there is no proof that it didnt arrive. I have provided tracking info and that is the most that can be done. NO INSURANCE WAS AVAILABLE and the buyer knows overseas mail is at HIS OWN RISK. ..Knowing that, he still demands $45 form the seller and threatens very damning feedback as blackmail. I am a very poor senior with no resources to fight this corrupt system and fraudulent "jump the gun" early claim. ebay is treating sellers without resources to fight back in a cold and brutal manner, demanding they perform like big corporations or something. ....This is too much for the small ebay seller to take. 2 phony claim for big money amounts in 1 week all because of the postal system being slow. ....hopeless situation. "

well hes certainly right about them trying to force normal sellers into being something akin to corp.

Nope I didn't accept the refund. He didn't offer it it's ebay who offered me. Speaking of untrustworth postal systems, Post Canada managed to lost a priority tracked item of mine about a year ago. Tracking says it is still in Montral for delivery. It's been a year. I've issued the buyer in that case a full refund and didn't called anyone thief and criminal. I know ebay has a harsh system for sellers but
a-) he doesn't have to sell on ebay.
b-) system is not my fault.
c-) nothing gives anyone to comment like that

And Wd1040, I didn't get the refund. I'll let him have the money, I chose to be kinder than him. I know it is stupid, since we're alll crooks and thieves, but I did it.

Yes, wd1040, mine too. Believe it or not, I am a sensitive person. I've dealt with a ton of people all around, he's a kind that I've never seen before. I am now truly afraid to have a US Secret Santa contact :) Anyhow, I now have peace of mind I will never see that nutjob again. He has gotten his money and I don't havea coin (and will not accept it even it arrives) things in my life is still at normal.

Suprisingly enough, when my registered post was lost in Montral in Canada, I did't called all Canadians what he just said to me. He claimed he is an old senior, but definately experience doesn't usually come with age.

I have read ALL the posts to this migraine, I use to assist E-Bay and search out for the Prevention Of Fraud and Forgery in Numismatics on E-Bay, I would highly suggest you take the refund and move on, you are apparently obsessed with this transaction and He is also.
I have reported hundreds of 'seedy" people and have seen "proper" results, by E-Bay in less than 1% of the times of their findings.
I would put it to you the site makes money from ALL of the sellers, NOT the buyers and they 99% of the time side with the sellers, who pay to use the site, just my opinion.........Every moment spent upset, will NEVER be regained in any fashion... Collect and move on.