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1884 O Morgan

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Grades? Opinions?

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 Posted 10/27/2010  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm going to say AU-58 due to the marks on the face and what appears to be some hair lines from an earlier cleaning.
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Sorry, I don't see the cleaning lines. Looks like a pretty good strike for a New Orleans lady. The reverse looks MS64-65ish except for the "Ds" in Dollar and United. Can't tell if one is bag mark or possibly some type of VAM. The obverse has some major marks on the cheek and neck that immediately draw your eye from the overall luster. The coins looks like it has great luster and good eye appeal. I'd say MS63 but if the marks are accentuated by the camera, probably 64. But then I'm no expert. I'd buy it and I already have 3 of them.
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I wanna take a position between the first two opinions. I think its cleaned (wiped with a cloth or something, no chemicals or solvents) and BU.

My logic is that the luster, based on these pictures, is just funky looking. Its kind of like some sort of a cross ya know? I see cartwheel action but I also see some dull shininess.

******By the way, I have not been too accurate with predicting cleaning in my last few posts but practice makes better!

I also think that the dull gray gunk on the rev. once probably covered a much more substantial area, which prompted the cleaning.
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 Posted 10/27/2010  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nolawyer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say AU58 or MS63
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It looks like the open fields have some dull areas which I assume are caused by friction. I'd have to see how the luster "cartwheels" over these areas to decide whether it makes the Uncirculated cut. It's at least an AU-58, with an above-average strike. I don't see any overt evidence of improper cleaning.
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 Posted 10/27/2010  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ACE Mike to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am in the middle... MS-60.
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Choice...MS63-64
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I'd buy it and I already have 3 of them.


You could actually "buy" it elsewhere, but I do not have enough posts to put it up for auction here.
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I like all of your thoughts, I don't see the coin "cleaned" but also don't see it 64/65.. more like MS 62... bag marks on the face drop in grading as the OBV testifies(unfortunatley) overall a 95% evaluation... this coin is 100% 5%which is the REV is fantastic... 100 percent MS65...my meaning is simple the OBV is graded at 95% and the rev is graded at 5% overall grades given...SO you all CONTEST this fact/idea......if you will;. but as seen... to many marks on the
OBV....where the grade is given....IMHJO........
MS 62


















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I was merely stating that it was a nice coin and worthy of being owned.
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aladinslamp, I agree with your understanding of morgan grading. If you look around, it can really be observed too. I have seen 65's with worse reverses than 63's.

This is one coin I really wanna see go to a TPG. I know its not worth it but what it comes back with would add to the opinions here and maybe agree with a few.
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This is one coin I really wanna see go to a TPG. I know its not worth it but . . .


NGC has MS62 at $40 and MS64 at $60.
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Yaaa but that is numismedia. From my experience, numismedia is roughly 20% higher than what I normally see prices realized for in a show or online setting.
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I like MS-62 for this one.

A nice strong New Orleans strike!
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The reverse is what attracted me to a 63-64. Yes there are some nicks on the face, I've seen worse on 63-64, but the date is real good except a possible nick on the 4. Very nice coin!!
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