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I have asked more than my share of stupid questions. But I will always ask, if someone ever calls me stupid it will be because I do not understand "not because I am not willing too ask and listen. Oooo, I just caught this Russ, as I was going back to see just how rude I have been today......Let me tell you something...your questions have never been stupid, but a large percentage of the answers that you have received were......If anyone ever calls you stupid, you just consider the source.....you are intelligent in considering an open mind to be a virtue.....I only encountered one other individual over there today that had an open mind....the rest were belligerent in their ignorance, (and proud of it)......ugh....pitiful, and not worth another minute of my time. Remember Russ, if you want an earful of horsepucky delivered by 'experts', you know where to go, but if you want honest truth on the hows and whys (even if it is just a highly speculative opinion), you also know where to come. |
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Well Lou, Gene, Remmy, Dave, and the list go's on. I am reading more then writing of late. I will always what to "understand" the what's,whys and how's. As far as other people and how they interact with each other's well. I try not to let their actions change my attitude. It is not about control, as sometimes something gets under my skin. I kind of look at the odds if you will. If a person is very set in his or her way's the odds of changing them is far less then .01% so I do not try. That is not to say I will not talk with them, as every once in a while they may say something of value. The listing system is far from prefect and there are errors in it. Some of the folks are fixed in there thinking, do not worry about them as only they themselves can change themselves. When you do you let them bother you are know longer in control of your own mind, they are. The true meaning of control is.... some guy cuts you off in traffic in the morning while you are going to work and you almost get into an accident. You are just mad all day. The person in control is the nut that cut you off... But the worst part is you do not even know him! We are who we are, and I am OK with everyone here. We may not always agree, but for the most part we all listen. Russ  Edited by twohawks
11/20/2010 10:28 pm
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been moving and with a foot of snow on the ground I have time to read a couple of posts and make a few replies......One thing I would ask, is would a gouge by itself be deemed worth a VAM assignment....? in general I thought it would not, but the size of the gouge could be the determining factor..... as for the radial crack on your coin I would have to ask do all of the VAM 6a's have this radial crack? to me it does appear to be a displaced field....however if it is the only coin with this feature I would think the lamination idea is plausable....if they all have it then it would rule the lamination idea for this particular VAM out as being in the die, the lamination could never be in the same spot on all the same vams....But I do think the discussion of the laminations is a very good topic......I don't have my resources with me at this time, but it occcured to me that in the normal minting process the sheets were made to a specific thickness so the planchets could be cut from them, the sheets were thickness checked and if under they were returned to be resmelted and made, if over the required thickness they went to the "draw table" where they were pulled through rollers to re-thickness them to the desired thickness.....this "STRETCHING as Zee notes could possibly lead to laminations or a separation as it goes through this process... I might also note that this too could be a possible reason why we have striations on some coins....... |
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thereis a picture goof up somewhere Russ, the radial crack is on VW 87 v5a post...does this coin have the crack?
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Gene the pictured coin is indeed the 1887-0 v-5A.....It really has nothing whatso ever to do with the 1880 O V-6 -vs- V6a topic of this thread......That was my fault.
What is that crack Gene....is it a radial die crack, or is it a die break, or is it a planchet flaw, or is it something else altogether? The answer is not a matter of opinion, it is quite obvious.
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So how does one take an 1880-O VAM-6 variant, and wrench it into a logical scheme? Sorry, I missed that post also until just now. I might think that things have reached the point that it probably doesn't really matter what the features of a coin are, as long as the date and mint mark are the same, you could designate anything as a vam-6 stage, and the chances that anyone would challenge it might be slim. |
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I know what you are saying Russ, and I know your words are wise and truth filled, and words that I should live by......I think that I let my expectations of others rule my emotions.....For instance, I expect only the best from you, and when you fail to deliver in my eyes, I am surprised, but not angered......with certain other individuals though, I have quite low expectations, and when those expectations are met, I see red.....I can't help it.
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Does anybody here ever....you know....sleep?  |
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If a planchet has an inherent crack in it, would it not be possible that this crack may cause the planchet to appear less than flush on either side of the crack depending on the vector and depth that the crack penetrates the surface of the planchet? Very Interesting thought / idea / concept. Sort of like "printed fold" as it relates to currency errors. |
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Ahhhhhhhh.......Just woke up.....Ahhhh....Oh, are you still awake Dave ? You know, you really should try to get some sleep.....I feel a whole lot better after mine.....  Actually, I really do....I am all over my rage now.....Thanks to you all for not finishing me off when I was down.....Thanks especially to you Russ.....I will start the day off with a sweet and cheery attitude....you just watch ! Yes Ceylon....except it is NOT a thought / idea / concept.....(just like the paper folds that you mention), it actually happens....there are hundreds if not thousands of examples.... Uh oh.....I see displaced fields on this coin.....it is a die crack ! :  |
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I am not doubting that it could be a lamination .many laminations are to easily understood...and seen,,, due to the fact that many laminations have the lifted edge and has a ledge by which it hinges on......somewhat like a door slightly opened,,,the main opening is readily seen.......others are obvious as the section is missing as in the lamination has peeled away or is to the point that it is peeling away.........still the question is valud and very worth questioning....
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The OP with coin in hand seems unable to tell the difference, others, like myself have relied on online photos to make a determination.....I have been fooled more than a couple of times by online photos, and this may be another case of that....so until another is found or LVA examines coin in hand, I will stick with what I believe it to be.....When he says it is a crack or break, that is when I will believe it.
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11/22/2010 04:23 am
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A second one turned up early this morning it is a little later die state it looks like it is a crack on this one.
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11/22/2010 08:04 am
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That proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that I was completely wrong and everyone else was completely right...  ...This, (like Bryan's v-85), also shows what can be accomplished with a little motivation... ...At a cost of over $3k, there was definitely some sort of motivation behind the finding of a second v-85, but the motivation behind this find I doubt would have been so urgent without me....Regardless of the cause of motivation, it was found, and proves me wrong...... Well done by someone.... edited to include factual content only.
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11/22/2010 3:36 pm
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actually it could have gone either way Zee... that's why I asked if there are any other known radial cracks,,in the EXACT SAME LOCATION.....,,,,,If not the lam look pretty possible.....
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