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1802/0 1800 Reverse?

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1800 reverse is the one worth a huge amount of money, I checked it out and did some honest research and this coin looks like it:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...refresh=true

I couldn't find any similarity to the 1802 reverse. So did I actually get the right one? If I didn't and its the plain 1802 I'm not too upset because its still an 1802/0
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 Posted 12/12/2010  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add littleboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a reverse of 1800.
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How much is it worth? I'm seeing 30,000 in G or some ridiculous thing?
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No idea, but probably more than $79
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I bid over $600 on this coin and nobody else went for it...
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It's in horrible condition and it's not a very well-known variety, so it doesn't jump out at the typical ebay browser. I guess no Half Cent specialists saw it. You should have someone who is very familiar with Half Cent die varieties to look at it.
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There's only one real pickup with a coin this worn: the extra berry on the bottom right, which this coin lacks. I can *faintly* see other pickups, like the top leaves of the wreath. It's Reverse of 1800, on the surface. On the other hand, the seller's feedback indicates he goes through a fair number of early Half Cents; I can't imagine him not knowing he has a coin of which only about twenty are known.

All 1802/s share the same obverse; only one obverse die was used.

I do not know what to think of this, SC. It's like selling a raw 1894-S Barber dime on ebay just because it's holed.

Yes, if it's real, it's worth stupid money.
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Yep. I was suspicious too but I figured I'd go for it for $500. I thought it ridiculous that this did not garner more bids and was not better presented, but hey, with $79 for a top bid I can't go wrong. Even a reverse of 1802 should be worth about $100+ in this condition, right?
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I agree, if the real deal, this coin is just sick money. CDN puts @ 17,000 in G! I agree it's a gamble but after looking at it, I also would have laid some money down on it. $79 for this guy, even as beat up as he is, was a more than fair gamble ;-)
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I'd risk $80 on that, 10 times out of ten.
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I fear your coin is an altered date. The "2" looks all wrong. I have owned several 1802 Half Cents in the past (which I wish I had never sold but when you need money you do what you must). All the 1802s share a common obverse die on which the "2" was probably from the punch used for dimes and is significantly smaller than the other digits in the date. This "2" appears to be the same size as the other digits. Hard to tell in the photo, even blown up 400% exactly what the date looks like but I fear altered.
If this is not an altered coin, and is truly an 1802 rev of 1800 you have made the ebay score of the year.
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I fear your coin is an altered date. The "2" looks all wrong. I have owned several 1802 Half Cents in the past (which I wish I had never sold but when you need money you do what you must). All the 1802s share a common obverse die on which the "2" was probably from the punch used for dimes and is significantly smaller than the other digits in the date. This "2" appears to be the same size as the other digits


This is a very good point. Further, I just read the auction in detail:


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Attribution suspect here. Date appears tooled and it is impossible to discern whether the 1802 was strengthened or altered. The only certainty here is that this is a genuine Half Cent with a reverse of an 1800. On a variety that is nearly impossible to obtain, this example stands to fill in nicely and the sheer novelty aspect should make this an excellent acquisition. Although the upside is tremendous, the downside is as well. I am selling this piece AS IS so bid at your own risk.


Frankly, that changes my opinion of the whole thing.
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What a huge failure on my part, I stopped reading at the first part because I had for some reason thought that was all there was. No wonder bids didn't go that high. On his part however, he probably should have stated it in the beginning. I probably will just cancel the transaction.
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Frankly this would be a tempting piece just as a hole filler. At first look I was convinced that it was an 1802 C-1. Bu in looking it over closer I now think it is probabl an altered 1800. The key thing I see is the distance from the top of the 1 to the hair wave above it. On the 1802 the 1 is right up to the hair wave. On the 1800 it is significantly lower. To me the spacing on this coin seems to match the 1800.
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Thanks for helping me guys , I need to be much more careful about my buying. I often enter 50-100 bids into a sniping service at a time and sometimes I miss part of the description if its further down because I assume that it ended. What do you recommend that I do?
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If you are asking about this particular coin I'd say you should suck it up & pay what you bid.....it's not the sellers fault you missed the part about the suspect attribution. If you are asking in general I'd say you should take a few more minutes with the descriptions before you bid.
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