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Need Help Grading This One - 1883-S Morgan

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 Posted 01/19/2011  6:21 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add flashinm to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Is there any reason to think this coin is not authentic? How would you grade it? Sorry for the picture quality, seller's pics.

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 Posted 01/19/2011  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chris12018 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Where is the seller located? What is the weight? What is the return policy? Looks real.
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 Posted 01/19/2011  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add flashinm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's being sold by a reputable coin company in the US, but auction style with no returns or refunds. I do believe it's real, but the grade is everything. It looks like it could be a 65, but I don't know what to make of the cloudiness/spottiness.
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 Posted 01/19/2011  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chris12018 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see some hits on her and chin MS63 with those pics
Ask the seller to send you better pics. If he doesn't send any then stay away.
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 Posted 01/19/2011  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks good to me and I agree with MS63.
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 Posted 01/19/2011  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think this is better than 63, at least 64.
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 Posted 01/19/2011  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nlp coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The arc of the nose looks backwards to me and the bridge of the nose where the brow and nose meet makes an indent I'm not comfortable with. nlp
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 Posted 01/19/2011  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kempire to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The nose and chin don't look right to me. Also, the liberty looks off, especially the E in liberty. Try to get better pics.
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 Posted 01/19/2011  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gothic Florin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The nose does look a little funny, but it could just be the pictures. That's why I like to see coins in person before I purchase them...
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Never, ever buy a coin like this with no returns. Picture quality is too poor to gauge authenticity or grade. You can lose a FORTUNE on a key date like this; how much is he asking? How did he grade it?

If you do buy, assume AU-50 there are some problems poking through that lousy picture (weak breast feathers, weak points on hair, chatter peaking through on chin, some photo doctoring/enhancement likely...)
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 Posted 01/19/2011  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add flashinm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the help folks. I won't bid unless I can get some better pictures or it sells for cheap.
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 Posted 01/19/2011  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ozland to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you want a 1883-S, before you buy, compare it to other 1883-S that are top tier graded. In the 28 days of Morgans there is a PCGS MS 62 graded 1883-S. Compare it to your coin.
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Liberty's profile in front of the eye does look a little odd. The 3 in the date seems thin and misshapen at the bottom. I'd want to closely compare this coin with photos of certified examples before considering a purchase.
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 Posted 01/20/2011  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This one is a $4800 coin (retail) in MS-64 so I seriously doubt someone would be selling one, unslabbed, with poor photos... More than likely it has problems that the carefully crafted photo is concealing
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I am very worried about the 3. This is a coin quite rare enough to motivate the morally-challenged to alter an 1888. If you push me to call it, I call it an altered 1888. The bulbs on each end of the 3 are too small, and too far from the point in the center. The entire lower curl doesn't please me.

Not to cast aspersions on the dealer (yet); there are too many acceptable reasons why they might not know. Dogpile the coin if you will, folks, but withhold judgment regarding the seller until there is solid evidence.
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Sorry I'm a VAM noobie.. but the S looks set right tilted left?
I didn't any thing like that? new find? some things don't look correct... not sure? any
Ideas?
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