1921 S Poss. New VAMS? Need Help!

I heard these called flow marks, but to me they appear to be die trails... Any input on either of these coins appreciated!

Die cracks mean very little with Morgans, most especially 1921's. They're assumed, rather than excepted; you'll have a harder time finding a 1921 without die cracks rather than one with them. Mind them; record them; they will help build the case for whatever variety you finally determine the coin to be.

What you're calling "die trails," however, are much more interesting. Seriously-worn Morgan dies tend to show these lines. 1921-S is the poster child for these wear marks. The coin you present in the last post, though, is simply over the top. I've never seen such a degree of "trailing" (as opposed to "die trails," which are still, IMO, a theoretical study).

The trouble I see is, some of them look like they are more "instead of," rather than "in addition to" the known design of the die. You'll understand that everything you see as "raised" on a coin is "recessed" on a die, so wear will only add to what you see as "raised" on a coin. What I see on your coin (particularly "RIB", especially the "I") doesn't fit the pattern.

It's way too early to come to conclusions. I'd sure like to see full-face images of the whole coin. Look at an undamaged Morgan, see where the serifs exist, and you'll see what I'm saying.

I don't believe them to be Counterfeit...?... There is a great degree of wear on the coin that I pictured which as Dave explained may exagerate the condition.

The nearest I could find anywhere on the internet was a 1921-S "melted date"...

If anybody could post a link to 1921-S exhibiting die trail like pictured, I'd be very grateful! I'm interested in the variety that Dave mentioned!

I'll be posting "full coin pictures" after batteries charge for a few. You guys would be cracking up... I've got a 1990's camera that I'm using to picture my coins through a desk-top magnifier! LOL!

I've got two coins in question w/die trails... Does anybody know how many pictures photo bucket will hold? I don't want my other pictures removed because they might help somebody...

Alright, got lucky and found batteries! Here is the coin pictured last night with the trails. Specimen one LOL!



Notice what appears to be a clash mark above the motto highlighted by soft led pencil

I might seem like I know what I'm talking about, don't let me fool you guys tho. This is only what I've learned in the past few years and I greatly appreciate your time and help... After all, where else would I go with these? I'm one smarter to know also, it's input from people like us that advance our hobby! Not to mention I almost turnned in that 3JA for scrap value on accident because I'm hard up right now.... Hope I find some others in the older Morgans I've got!!

I have Morgans with those lines, except mine are more like a scribble. I also have one with a weird cutlike line from almost the tip of one wing straigt to his, well, crotch. It's so deep mid-wing it makes a shadow in the light at certain angles.

No, after seeing the entire coin photos, they look real enough to me.... I am very often fooled by online photos, especially closeups of only certain areas..... die wear to the periphery generally shows many little lines trailing from the letters to the coin edge rather than what had appeared to me to be just a warping of the letter tops.... I believe that they are genuine, but as for attribution, nearly any good die could reach this state..... 1921 Morgans are extremely difficult for most people to identify as far as vams.... your best bet would be SperDave.... (if anyone could do it), it would be him.