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How Far Back Can We Go? Ended At 1492 Waiting On 1491

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 Posted 06/13/2011  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andyg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Sap - your ½d is an earlier type to my 1742 - both the portrait and the britannia were touched up in 1740...

Here is a 1734, a 6 Pfennig of Brunswick

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 Posted 06/13/2011  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ngdawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, that's a nice piece!
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 Posted 06/13/2011  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfransch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh goody, my favorite year for Spanish Colonial Pillars
Here are 2 of the major keys to the series. Both of these coins were found on the "Coffins Patch" Spanish shipwreck
1733 MXF

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And 1733 MoF


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 Posted 06/14/2011  07:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yarm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1732 "dug" Denga (or is it?)
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 Posted 06/14/2011  11:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfransch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Spanish Colonial Cob 8 Reales
1732 with a natural bubble in the silver

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1731

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 Posted 06/15/2011  07:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Murazor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Whoa, these two above are really nice!
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 Posted 06/15/2011  08:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's my 1731.

Windward Islands (French colonies in Caribbean), 12 sols. Alas, the date's not too legible in this scan.

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 Posted 06/15/2011  08:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mysilveryears to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great stuff, folks. That French Colonial piece has to be a rarity.
It's nice to see the year drought is ending.

Here is a 1730 Austrian thaler; size = ~42 mm :

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 Posted 06/15/2011  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ngdawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, that's a huge and beautiful coin! Really nice and clear!

I'd better prepare, because soon it's my turn again
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 Posted 06/15/2011  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfransch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some more full date cobs
1730

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1729

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 Posted 06/15/2011  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see various lopsided holes, is that where you put the corn, or to adjust the weight?
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 Posted 06/15/2011  11:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfransch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The holes you see on the cobs above are caused by air bubbles in the planchet before striking. They are different from holes drilled into the coin after striking. The 1732 is 27.4 grms and the 1730 is 26.9 grms, both too heavy to have lost that much silver post strike.
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 Posted 06/16/2011  05:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ngdawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They have a very weird shape, were they meant to look like that, or were they supposed to be round?
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 Posted 06/16/2011  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They were struck with "normal" round coin dies, but the blanks were originally made in odd shapes thanks to the quick'n'hasty production process. They are called "cobs", derived from the Spanish phrase "cabo de barra" , meaning "end of the bar" because that's how the blanks for the coins were made: roll the raw silver into a roughly-shaped cylindrical ingot and slice pieces of it off, then trim and file the pieces until the weight is correct. Russian "wire money" was made in the same fashion.
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 Posted 06/16/2011  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sander to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1728

My last VOC duit, this one is from Zeeland.



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