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1865 3-Cent Nickel - Not Listed In Cherry Pickers - Help!

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I have an 1865 3-cent nickel coin. The profile and almost all lettering is doubled. It also has definitely got something going on with the date. The 6 and 5 both look like they were stamped over other numbers.
Here are two different pics of the date - lighting is different. This is only the second time I have taken coin pics - I'll get the hang of it yet!
http://www.imagebam.com/image/af8baa129708475
http://www.imagebam.com/image/8ce8b5129708458

Here is pic of a portion of the profile:
http://www.imagebam.com/image/27924b129708468

Since I am - as of today - a new Cherrypicker - any and all info would help. Should I report this? How? Value? et cetera....
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 Posted 04/27/2011  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have a good eye, Earle42. This oldtimer would suggest that you take the coin to a show or two and get some feedback from knowledgeable dealers in errors. You might also explore other books and websites that deal specifically with errors.

IMHO, the fact that a given error/variety is not listed doesn't necessarily make it important; and, the same goes for listed coins. Breen listed many varieties within most every coin series in his 1980's "encyclopedia" and described many as rare. Yet, most of these so-called rare varieties have yet to garner much attention in the coin community at large.

Consider that the 1937-D three-legged nickels are probably far more plentiful than your coin. Sure, these nickel errors are more obvious to the eye, but your coin is no less interesting. I recently saw twenty three-leggers listed in one auction. The hole in the album is what mostly draws collector attention to that variety. See if you can find any more coins like yours. Good luck!
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The doubled profile appears to be simply Machine Doubling, but the date is definitely repunched. It also shows below the 1 and most noticeably below the upper serif of the 1. Is it significant? probably not very. The mint was having a devil of a time with the coppernickel alloy. It wore out the dies at a fantastic rate. Before 1865 the mint die shop was turning out a few hundred die pairs a year. Afterward they were doing several thousand for the Three Cent and Shield nickels alone. They were so pressed for dies that all kinds of errors which would have normally resulted in the dies being rejected were allowed to pass. The Three Cent has a lot of repunched dates and incompletely basined dies, and some doubled dies. The Shield nickels have more doubled and tripled dies than just about any other series, repunched dates, misplaced dates, three overdates, and incompletely basined dies. Bother series used the dies till the literally broke to pieces. It is almost impossible to find coins that don't have clashed dies or suffer from die cracks. Sometimes LOTS of die cracks.
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what condor said.

Also, don't rely on Cherrypickers alone.

There are MANY varieties that it does not list.

Each series has its own guide, by different authors.
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Thanks for all the great info. I plan on keeping this coin, but have a question in general. I have a lot of stuff to go through. It is going to take awhile. I know I will not specifically want to keep certain coins that I find b/c they are not in my specialty. How do I go about finding the right person who would appreciate the coin more than I do? I do not want to just throw it in a box and let it get lost in the crowd again. Would posting to this forum be sufficient for finding that collector who would be wowed by a coin like this?
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try https://www.maddieclashes.com they have Three Cent pieces on the site.
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Each series has its own guide, by different authors.

Unfortunately the best book on the nickel Three Cent is pretty much unavailable. They only printed about 250 copies and I haven't seen a copy in over 4 years. It isn't cheap either. If you could find one it would probably go for $300 or more. Looks like I underestimated. There is a copy on Amazon right now.....for $500.
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04/30/2011 10:49 am
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I use a book called The Authoritative Reference on Three Cent Nickels and there is a RPD variety that is eerily close to your pictures. On page 87 RPD-004 is extremely close to what you posted. They list 10 RPD varieties for 1965 alone but I am sure there are more. I like this book alot but it still is not complete as I have a couple of varieties that are not listed in it. Part of why I love my little 3 cent nickels.
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Condor, can you list that book? I am always on the hunt for more books for my signature collection (Ok, when I say signature, I mean my favorites).
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I really shouldn't because I don't have a copy of it yet, but I can't afford to get it right now. The book is The Ultimate Guide to U. S. Three Cent Nickels, 1865 to 1889 by Allan Gifford. That one copy is still listed on Amazon Should have bought it back in 2003 when I could have picked it up for $150.
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I've been looking for a copy of Gifford's book also Condor. I've never seen a copy before, some online reviews I've stumbled across are not so great, poor writing, disorganized and almost unusable however, the detailed photos are excellent they say, though some photos are too small to be of use in IDing varieties. There are over 1000 photos I hear. Sounds interesting, it's almost 500 pages. But at $500 on Amazon - they can go pound sand at that price - I might pay $120 for a copy - might...

Since Kevin Flynn now has his second edition of "Authorative Three Cent Nickel Reference" out, I don't need it as a main reference. I do need one for my odd denomination coinage library I have going. Guess I'll just have to keep searching. Sad thing, there are probably a dozen copies just sitting on peoples book shelves that will never be used and they have no idea the book is all that valuable.

edit - just realized this post is from 2 years ago, oh well, must have poped up in my search for the book online, while I had some current CCF tabs open in the browser. Anyone find a copy yet - or want to sell one?
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Nice pics! it's an RPD--I also see underlying digits in the inner loops of the 8 and the bottom loop of the 6.
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