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05/08/2011 10:04 pm
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I don't believe it is - but that's only because I've seen many other slabbed Morgans with toning like that going for huge premiums. I was definitely suspicious when I first encountered them. I'm not sure what causes that sort of coloring, but do believe it to be considered 'natural' toning in the current marketplace (and some of the most expensive toning).
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05/08/2011 10:40 pm
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I'm not sure what causes that sort of coloring Generally it would be from the Mint canvas bags of the day that contained sulfur. Many of these Morgans sat in these bags unmoved for many years pressed up against the canvas causing a chemical reaction with the silver. This one just looked suspect to me. I have also seen many natural pieces. For some reason, this one threw up flags. I guess NGC should know but, I have seen them miss the mark on a few. swcoin.ecrater.com
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Looks a real toning to me plus the ngc holder . What bugs me about is no toning on observe kind odd .
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That seller has quite a collection of toned coins. Does this one in particular stand out from the others he sells with comparable toning?
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I have a feeling those are all artificially toned, Its just a feeling I have, no proof whatsoever and I definitely might be totally wrong. I've heard people talk about knowing how to artificially tone even through a slab. There still nice looking and I suppose it could be argued that all toning is somewhat artificial.
Example: I place a coin in a certain position with certain temperature and certain materials near-by. I come back 30 years later and theres a toned coin. Did I make it, or it is natural?
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I think he just juices his photo's. I have seen quite a few of his listings that looks huiced
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Right. What is natural toning exactly. There was human influence no matter what in some sense. I had a Mercury dime in an old envelope that I had forgotten about for almost 20 years. Last year, I opened the envelope because I had no idea what was inside. Well, there was that Merc with pink toning on both sides. It was white when I put it in there, I remembered. I would define AT as toning which has been artificially accelerated by means of chemicals and a process. swcoin.ecrater.com
Edited by vermontensium
05/08/2011 11:49 pm
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Isn't it common that with the authentic rainbow toning it will only be on one side?
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That is one attribute.
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dch- it is very common on Morgans to have the toning on just one side. It's typically the coin closest to the sulfer bag like the OP said. It's actually more suspect to have toning on both sides. This is what a collector/seller at one of the Whitman shows I went to told me. I wish I had his website still to use as a reference.
All that being said, I still don't know AT from NT on Morgans. I know a camera can make a coin look a lot better or a lot worse and it can go to an extreme in either direction. I would suspect that the colors are not as vibrant in hand - the reason I say this is because if you look at both of the reverse pictures you can see where the pink/yellow areas of the coin fade from one picture to the next. Now with that being said... in my very limited knowledge of these coins I do think that points to this being a NT coin. Typically (again, from the limited coins I've seen in hand vs photo's) the AT are very dull and not transparent. So the fact that this has an oily like appearance - I would say go for it if your eye is drawn to the coin :)
And lastly - the second picture of the reverse has been post processed way too much. But it does help to show the bag marks much better - the fields right of the wings for example.
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What is natural toning exactly. There was human influence no matter what in some sense. Congratulations. I think you just reached the first plateau. |
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New to this,toning. I have 1964 Kennedy 1/2 dollars that are sealed in plastic, from the mint, and are turning color on the edges and into the face and back. Time to get rid of them or hold them?
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Kenneth, the market on tarnished silver Kennedys isn't what I'd call "matured," yet. As such, it probably wouldn't hurt you any, in terms of the risk of depreciation, I'm saying, to hold onto them.
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PCGS put out a great article on spotting AT, and how certain colors just don't overlap with others or something of that nature. I will try to put a link to it.
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The toning is fine, it's the pics that have been juiced. Toning's on the wrong side for that price (obverse is the money side).
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