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There are 2 dates on this coin. 1940 and 1943. I have plenty of people tell me it has been altered. But, no one has told me how you can make a raised (relief) number on a coin that has already been minted, and not tear up the coin. I can understand how you you could punch (incuse) numbers on it. If you can please let me know. There is a partial picture of Lincoln on the back. I am having trouble posting pictures on here. If you go to the ebay site, enter this number 180700301824, and then hit search it will take it to my posting. |
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United States
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First off Welcome  I notice on the reverse some damage too the coin like it was put into a vice and pressed.I'm not sure how it was made but 100% it happened after it left the Mint.I'm sure one of the more experienced members can explain it. 180700301824 |
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Canada
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I believe it is PMD. Too much damage on the rim. Mike Diamond could shed some light on this. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Looks like someone made a soft die and tried to make a fake 1943 copper cent. Missed it that much! LOL The damage on the rim shows where his fake die ended.
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Looks like someone made a soft die and tried to make a fake 1943 copper cent. Missed it that much! LOL The damage on the rim shows where his fake die ended.
Bingo! |
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United States
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The second date looks like 1940 to me. Could it be a misaligned double die clash?
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Canada
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The secondary date appears to be 1943. See where the right side of the last number curves in more in line with the crossbar of the "4"?  Edited by ikandiggit
07/24/2011 12:02 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Impossible to be from a die clash. A die clash is only transfered from the opposite die. The date is not on the reverse die, so that can't happen. Tampered coin. The 1943 die wouldn't be created till three years later. PMD |
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United States
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Logic tells me it HAS to be PMD...Better pics would help too |
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Philippines
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Question's such as this needs the opinion of experts.
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United States
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Interesting observation by Coop on the damaged rim.  It appears slightly out of round too. Update--the reverse clinches it as PMD. Edited by DVCollector
07/24/2011 10:57 pm
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Doesn't a double die clash transfer the image onto the one die and then back again onto the original in a second clash? I've seen some cent pictures where LIBERTY appears on the reverse, and then doubled on the obverse (along with the memorial image) because it was transferred in two clashes. (Though this coin is probably PMD) |
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United States
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The die transfer of devices from the opposite die only happen on way. The fields on one die transfer to the opposite die. The areas next to the deeper devices transfer to the opposite die on the filed area only. These do not transfer back to the original die. On a double clash (where two sets of clash lines) the devices may be moved/hop during just a single clash.  (The first three images) The last ones were just part of the collage. But if a true double clash had happened, I feel it would be a deeper clash. I've seen only one that I know of that fits this description. Or it could have been a very strong strike because of extra strike pressure.   On the coin the OP posted it is just damage. |
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I think I'm losing my mind. I could have sworn I've seen a LMC posted here recently with multiples of "LIBERTY" on the obverse because of more than one misaligned clash. It must have happened in a dream or something. That Jefferson is KRAZY! I thought that one I found with a clear outline of TJ's profile was nice, but yours makes mine look like a big ol' sack of garbage! |
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United States
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 That Jefferson is amazing!  I'd guess the dies were retired shortly after the clash was detected? That's gotta have some collector value. |
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Posted 07/24/2011 10:11 am
