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 Posted 07/28/2011  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jjper77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it possible that some die maker in 1940 (a jokester) make this die and it was minted at the mint. I know it is not probable.
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 Posted 07/28/2011  08:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jjper77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One more question. Is a grading company able to tell me if this coin was struck with one, or if it was struck with multiple strikes.
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 Posted 07/28/2011  10:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you send it in to one of the reputable TGPs they will tell you that the coin is damaged and not gradeable.
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 Posted 07/28/2011  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Excellent. Will you look at the nose on the altered coin and compare it with any other non altered coin. There is a big difference.

The nose on the 1940 looks different because of the damage caused by the fake 1943 die. The nose has been flattened by the strikes to the obverse and reverse. This also shows across the surface of the 1940 as flattened details and the damaged edges.

I was able to find a few other marks from the fake 1943 die where it was used on the reverse of the 1940, but they are very light. It looks as if the E in LIBERTY is visible, but the only way it could be on the 1940 is if the wheat on the 1940 was cutting deeply into the 1943 die.

Because the details on the 1940 were harder than the soft 1943 die, the 1943 die couldn't make a full impression. It would also cause the destruction of most of the details on the softer 1943 die.

I would think that the fake die was only able to make 1 or 2 strikes before the harder copper coin or coins flattened the image on 1943 Lincoln die to the point that it was useless.

Once again, this is only my opinion as I didn't see it happen.
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 Posted 07/29/2011  07:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ikandiggit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you send it in to a TPG, you will be laying out cash for what you've been told here.
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 Posted 07/29/2011  08:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jjper77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is over I am not going to send it to a grading company. I thank everone for their opinions. You shaved me 43 dollars. This is a great forum. Glad I found it. When I contacted Mr Diamond the first time I did not know he was the number 1 error specialist around. I do now.
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 Posted 07/29/2011  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jayman931 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@jiffy- In your other Topic Thread regarding that coin you asked what was your favorite "I got Hooked Purchases"...I was just wondering if you purchased this coin from someone and if so how much if you don't mind me asking....
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 Posted 07/29/2011  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jjper77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I did. I did not think a soft die could cause a relief figure or number on another coin. I new it was a wierd coin. I did not think anyone could be that far off in trying to make a error coin. I paid 69 dollars for it. You know what they say; one is born every minute.
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 Posted 07/29/2011  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jasper62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sure every collector out there has bought a few coin's in there life they wish they hadn't.including myself.It takes time to learn all the diff kinds of errors.It's the hard part of learning.One thing is certain you found a great place to learn and get help when needed.
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 Posted 07/30/2011  12:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jjper77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not regret the purchase. I got a ms 70 quarter with the purchase, I found this site , and I have people who have said they would like to purchase the coin.
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 Posted 07/30/2011  02:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jasper62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm very happy for you
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 Posted 07/30/2011  08:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jjper77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I still have some questions. I do not claim to have the expertise that the people on here have. But, I still would like to have explained: Where did the remainder of Lincolns body go. One person said the soft die was destroyed after about 2 hits. Well, how about the first hit. I had a person contact me that read a book about the mint in 1943. The war was going on and they had to hire a lot of new employees to replace the people who were drafted. The author of this book had interviewed some of these people and told how they had put coins with earlier dates back into production. The person who found the 1943 copper penny took years to finally have the mint admit it was legitimate. I think the question is a reasonable.
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 Posted 07/30/2011  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ikandiggit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would speculate that the perp was trying to alter only the date so the image of Lincoln wasn't necessary and was probably not on the fake "die".
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 Posted 07/30/2011  09:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jjper77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with that. But, if they were only going for the date how about the reverse with the nose. What were they going for there? I am just trying to make every thing make sense. I have said to myself several times: It is a altered coin. But, Questions keep popping up that keep my searching. I would send it to a grading company, but, I do not think they could say for sure what happened. I would gladly pay $43 if I thought they could say for sure what happened. If it is not altered, the only other thing it could be: it was entered back into production in 1943 and there was a turning in the dies.
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 Posted 07/30/2011  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can tell you what didn't happen. If the coin was restruck the entire obverse and reverse would be stronger than the first the first strike. Some devices of the first strike would still be showing, but in the pattern of the die:
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