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I got my order from SilverTowne today and it is a nice one. Twenty 5-oz. bars. Only problem was that half of them had damaged plastic wrap that is no longer air-tight. Am looking for some kind of snap-closed plastic holder that these will fit into. It's somewhat disappointing. If I wanted unwrapped bars I would have bought unwrapped bars. That aside, they are good looking bars. I just wanted them plastic wrapped so that they would stay that way.

Additionally, in rummaging around the house, I came up with a plastic bag containing two 1991 ASEs! Not sure where these came from. I must have bought them way back when and forgot all about them. Oh, well. They are now part of my growing silver hoard. Total stack is now a little over 313 oz.

Next up will be the 5 tubes of ASEs I ordered. They should be here in about 5 days.

Here is a pic of the SilverTowne bars and the two "found" ASEs:


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only thing I found in a quick search: vinyl sleeves/flips to hold 5oz bars on ebay, and sleeves on Wizard Coin Supply. Not sure if those can be sealed.
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100 oz. of silver in one fell swoop. Impressive, sir.

You have a vault/safe or just leave them laying around as coasters like I do? How *does* the other half live? ;)
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well this "other half" has less than 50 oz total silver bullion
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I also added to my stack with some 90% coins ($20 face) from Silvertowne. Just taking advantage of the dips which seem to come regularly recently.
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well this "other half" has less than 50 oz total silver bullion


hehehe... I'm right there with you, Fuzzy317. I don't have much more than that in bullion, and I add at 1-2 oz increments at this stage.

I do have quite a bit of numismatic silver going back into the 90's but I don't really count that in my silver stash. I only recently have caught the bullion bug and am eying some of those 5 oz bars! :)
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Wow, three hundred plus and growing like the blob, lol great additions!

You took to those bars mainly because of the the nice sealed plastic, and they go and send you that, lol....

At least worth an email drop too voice your concerns with the busted seals, perhaps giving them a chance to fix the situation. I imagine those bags are not too well made, and once they split, what are you gonna do, throw the bars away, lol! I don't think so, and Silvertowne still has to move them....

Those mini zip lock bags, which I often get with purchases of vintage toy stock with all the small parts and weapons stored in them would work great for the bars I bet, easy to find at your local grocery store....

And more ASE's forgotten in the house, as you have found a good 15 oz. or so of lost an forgotten bars or coins lol, if you include those game tokens....
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Really really nice pick up and congrats on passing the 300 oz mark - wow!
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Ed_B I probably have at the least 200 ounces not sure have to look when I get home but a resent gold purchase really got me wondering. I have some gold at a low price but awhile ago got 4 more ounce bars, thinking how much I paid for these and how hard they may be to sell because of the price awhile ago I tried to sell them here on the coin forum and not one person was interested. My plan was to sell them and buy more silver.

SO I am now thinking well no wanted to buy the gold so what if you needed the cash I am sure if you sell back to APMEX you will pay them again a high premium I paid $65.00 per ounce premium to buy the gold from them.

Anyway was thinking maybe I should not buy more silver if we are buying to protect our money against inflation what good will this do if you can't sell it.

Do you all really think can use our gold and silver as cash in the next five years? I did but now not really sure you may have to convert it back to cash and them if things are bad who is going to buy it anyway like now no one wanted my gold and yes I was selling it below the price anyone would have to pay a place to buy it like $50.00 per ounce below the spot price not counting he commission one has to pay places like APMEX above spot.

So guess my question is asking what do you all really think you are going to do with your PM I do not need the money I can just give it to my kids or grand-kids but we never know what the future holds we may need it say in ten years if I am still around in ten years.

But will anyone really take it as payment?

I do not think we will ever go back to the gold standard in my lifetime.
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Ed_B you're just buying up silver like its candy. You have so much silver you have ASEs just lying around the house unnoticed. It sounds like you have more money than me :) and you certainly have more silver...care to share the wealth....I'll be very thankful!
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Good comments, everyone, glad to hear them and to receive your thoughts on silver and PMs in general.


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only thing I found in a quick search: vinyl sleeves/flips to hold 5oz bars on ebay, and sleeves on Wizard Coin Supply. Not sure if those can be sealed.

Yes, I was seriously considering that but sent an email to SilverTowne and they said to return the bars with the broken plastic and they would replace them with well sealed bars. I have to pay some shipping and insurance but it will be worth it to get bars that will look like new for years. If I ever need to sell these, I want them to look as nice as possible.


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100 oz. of silver in one fell swoop. Impressive, sir.

You have a vault/safe or just leave them laying around as coasters like I do? How *does* the other half live? ;)

Thanks, Celtic, appreciate the props. I like to buy when prices drop. I am hoping that they do not drop too much further. This seems a decent buying opportunity for collectors to add to their stash. I often buy a few 90% coins each month, no matter what the price is. I have a tube of Roosevelt dimes, a bunch of Morgans, a few Peace dollars, 2 tubes of Kennedy 1/2s, 2 tubes of Walking Liberty 1/2s, 3 tubes of ASEs, and a few Washington quarters. Would like to fill a tube or two with the dimes and quarters but by buying a few here and there, it takes a while to get enough to fill a tube.

Yes, I have a safe for some of it but also a SDB in my local credit union. I put the bulk of my stash in the SDB when we went on vacation in Sept. That seemed a better idea than leaving it in an empty house, even though it was in a safe.


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well this "other half" has less than 50 oz total silver bullion

Hey, I hear ya, Fuzzy. When I first started collecting silver last January, I only had a few ounces of 90% coins... plus the 2 ASEs that I did not know I had then! I am collecting only US silver bullion 90% and better coins... so far, anyway. I have a couple of 40% 1/2 dollars but will trade them to my local coin dealer the next time I visit his shop. Nothing wrong with them at all, I just prefer to collect the higher weight silver coins. The ASEs are my favorite coins. They are big, bright, and beautiful. They have a good heft to them and are 99.9% silver. The design is gorgeous, especially the obverse.

I got to looking at silver bars and realized that they are very nice too. They are available in several weights and carry a fairly low premium. I have about 40 of the 5-oz. bars and really like them. I'm tempted to try some 10-oz. bars of the same design but can't decide if that would be too much compared to the smaller 5-oz bars. Decisions, decisions!


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I also added to my stack with some 90% coins ($20 face) from Silvertowne. Just taking advantage of the dips which seem to come regularly recently.

Good plan, BC. Buying regularly will make the ounces add up and should also give you an average price that is lower than you might get via making only a few large buys. This "dollar cost averaging" approach works well. I am doing that too but also buy larger amounts when the price seems good.


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Wow, three hundred plus and growing like the blob, lol great additions!

Thanks, Hawk. Somehow, I just knew that you would appreciate the situation.


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You took to those bars mainly because of the the nice sealed plastic, and they go and send you that, lol....

At least worth an email drop too voice your concerns with the busted seals, perhaps giving them a chance to fix the situation.

Indeed so. Fortunately, SilverTowne is interested in keeping their customers happy. I did voice my concern via an email and got a quick reply from a lovely lady named Amy. She said to return the bars with damaged wrapping and they would replace them. I have them boxed up and ready to go as I type this. I am hoping to get a fast turnaround on this and have the replacement bars soon.


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And more ASE's forgotten in the house, as you have found a good 15 oz. or so of lost an forgotten bars or coins lol, if you include those game tokens....

Well, in my own defense, we do have a BIG house and have been collecting the junk that fills it for 40 or so years, so it's not like it's easy to spot a misplaced and forgotten small item. All of the casino gaming tokens were sold on ebay last month. My son did a great job of that and got a share of the spoils. Glad to see them sold to others who collect them and for them to send me some money to convert into some nice 90% coins or a few ASEs.


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Really really nice pick up and congrats on passing the 300 oz mark - wow!

Thanks, Trip. I am well on my way towards my goal of 1000 oz. of silver. Not sure if I will make it all the way there but need to have a target to shoot at in this effort. I consider this a currency conversion from FRNs to silver and not the same as "spending" money.
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SO I am now thinking well no wanted to buy the gold so what if you needed the cash I am sure if you sell back to APMEX you will pay them again a high premium I paid $65.00 per ounce premium to buy the gold from them.

From what others have said on this site about selling coins and bars, ebay seems to be a pretty good way to do that. A good local coin or pawn shop can also be a good way to sell. We just have to realize that we probably will not get much, if any, of that premium back. Of course, if our bullion is way up in price, we might not be as concerned about that as we would otherwise be.


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Anyway was thinking maybe I should not buy more silver if we are buying to protect our money against inflation what good will this do if you can't sell it.

I can understand your frustration with this, Bruce, but also know that we must develop some channels for selling coins and bullion in the event that we want to sell someday. I have both a local coin shop and a local pawn shop that buy and sell PM bars and coins, so I could probably sell to either or both of them. It might also be possible to sell locally on Craigs List but I would want to be pretty careful with that. ebay might be a good choice too, even if the fees do seem a little high at times.


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Do you all really think can use our gold and silver as cash in the next five years?

That's a tough question to answer. My silver bullion is an insurance policy against national and world financial incompetence. I figure that IF there is a way to completely trash either the US or the world financial systems, the people in charge are likely to find it. If they do and the fiat currencies collapse, having some PMs could well be the difference between eating and not eating. Of course, we have no idea whether or not this will even happen or, if it does, when it will happen. This is a bit like predicting when or if you will have an auto accident. I am preparing for it the best I can. Like the auto wreck, if it does not happen, I will be VERY happy with that result. If it does happen, then maybe having some bullion will be a very good thing. No guarantees, of course. I do see PM bullion as an inflation hedge. Within my lifetime, silver has gone from about $1 to about $50 and back to $10 and then up to $49 and now back to about $30. It's a wild ride for sure but as of this moment in time, silver has preserved value FAR better than FRNs, which have steadily lost value and continue to do so.


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So guess my question is asking what do you all really think you are going to do with your PM I do not need the money I can just give it to my kids or grand-kids but we never know what the future holds we may need it say in ten years if I am still around in ten years.

Like you, Bruce, I will use my PMs to buy what I need when I need it -OR- I will leave it to my kids and grandkids when the time comes. I am sure that I will be able to sell my silver. I am not sure how good a deal I will get or who will buy it. Silver has been a desired trade item for a very long time now and I do not see that ending any time soon.


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But will anyone really take it as payment?

Yes, I believe that they will. The trick will be to find the people who are interested in buying and who have either the money or the trade goods to do so.

As to your gold, well, not all coin and bullion collectors collect gold so they would not be interested in buying any. I only collect silver for now but might get into other PMs at some point. Gold seems to sell well on ebay, so I would recommend learning about that to see if it will do what you want.

Also, you might be able to find a local coin or pawn shop that will be willing to trade your gold for silver, if that is the way you want to go. Yes, you will likely have to pay a commission of some kind on a deal like this as the dealer needs to eat too. If you develop a good relationship with a local dealer as a good customer, you should be able to make deals with him or them on various buys and sells and at a reasonable cost.


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I do not think we will ever go back to the gold standard in my lifetime.

I do not know if that will happen or not. If it does, it will likely be because those in charge have messed up the financial system so badly that this is their only option. I don't find this possibility all that hard to believe. Of course, if it did happen, the value of PMs would likely increase by multiples of today's prices.


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Ed_B you're just buying up silver like its candy. You have so much silver you have ASEs just lying around the house unnoticed. It sounds like you have more money than me :) and you certainly have more silver...care to share the wealth....I'll be very thankful!

Lol. Well, it's like this. Those who share in the effort are more likely to share in the wealth. The scenario was something like this... go to college for 8 years... graduate a few times, get a good job, and work hard at it for 30+ years. Save as much as possible along the way and invest wisely. Marry a great lady who shares your vision of the future and is a full partner in all your planning for the future. Next thing you know, you are reasonably well off!

My plan is to acquire 1000 oz. of silver and perhaps 30-40 ounces of gold or platinum. Platinum looks very good to me at today's prices but lots of physical metal dealers out there don't have very much of it. That makes buying it rather difficult, in spite of the really good prices! :-/

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It sounds like you also have quite a few years on me as well.:) Congratulations on your life's successes and I think your investment plan of physical commodities is sound.

I wish the future looked a little brighter for myself and others of the younger generations. These days working hard at a "good job" gets you underpaid and disrespected, abused by your boss, and ultimately laid off. We certainly won't get any pensions, our retirement packages (for those who can stay employed) are terrible, our salaries are poor, and we may not even get social security. The money we do make is losing value faster than any "low risk" investment can keep up.
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Well thank you Ed I enjoy reading your and all the comments and advice here on the coin forum. I am an old tired and retired Marine. Have been interested in coins and PM all my life I also worked hard and enjoy a happy life now as I like to say to my RVing friends, "some day finally came"

I have been collecting commemorative silver for a few years now and then also started getting the PM I also love ASE I have 15 tubes of them now. Also have allot of 90% some 40% some rolls of 90% half's and more as I said not sure how much silver I have. I need to do an inventory I do have the Coin organizer deluxe software and have a complete inventory anyway but need to get the real thing organized better.

As you said my kids will most likely get my stash of coins if not the grand kids they can do what they wish.

I did sell one 2006 Gold Buffalo proof some yeas ago on ebay but with the ebay fees and paypal fees was lucky to break even but I did just that so was happy at that but never used ebay again.

Guess I should try and locate a good long standing coin dealer in my area will get the phone book out my problem is I do still have a stick house but move around to much in the RV never in one place to long.

Anyway I will most likely keep buying more silver when the price gets low again have to check more on the sale end though for the wife anyway because that is what she keeps saying to me is I drop over what is she going to do with all these coins have to get that answer for her.
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It sounds like you also have quite a few years on me as well.:)

I would guess that to be the case as well. I just turned 62 last August.


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Congratulations on your life's successes and I think your investment plan of physical commodities is sound.

Thanks, Hesgut. My investments are large enough that the physical silver I own is still only about 2% of my total investment mix. I want to bring that up to at least 5% and maybe as much as 10%. To reach a figure that size will likely require me to buy some gold or platinum. I would be buying physical platinum right now if I could find some 1-oz. bars. All that seems available at the moment are some 1/10th oz. APEs and some 1-5 gram bars. The premiums on these small amounts are a killer if you want to collect 20-30 ounces so I haven't bought any of these.


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I wish the future looked a little brighter for myself and others of the younger generations.

Yes, I also wish that. I have a 39 year old daughter and a 36 year old son, so I definitely want them to have a good future. Both are doing reasonably well at the moment, though, and I am grateful for that.


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These days working hard at a "good job" gets you underpaid and disrespected, abused by your boss, and ultimately laid off. We certainly won't get any pensions, our retirement packages (for those who can stay employed) are terrible, our salaries are poor...

Yes, I would agree that this is all too often the case. When I was working, I was a very highly skilled technical person who added a good deal to the company's bottom line. Because of that, I was appreciated and well paid for my efforts. It is imperative that people be highly trained in a desired technical field these days. I know that this is not easy but then the best things in life rarely are. Many companies out there today continue to say that they cannot find the highly skilled workers that they need and that this is hampering their business expansion plans. We need to allow more of these people to immigrate to the US and we need to train more such people of our own. It is dumb, IMO, to train foreign students to be scientists, mathematicians, and engineers at the M.S. and Ph.D. levels and then just send them home when they would prefer to stay in the US. This is human capital that we are just squandering and we can ill afford to do that.

Speaking of pensions, they are going the way of the dodo. That's actually OK too because the 401(k) plan has largely replaced pensions. In my case, that was excellent and allowed me to retire comfortably at age 55 instead of having to work until age 65, as our former pension plan allowed. Additionally, I got about 30% more money from the 401(k) plan than the pension plan would have delivered for the same time and money invested. IMO, the 401(k) plan is the greatest wealth creation engine ever invented and its invention was basically an accident of interpretation. Yes, it can still be improved but the real trick to getting the most from it is to invest in it to the max allowed. It helps if the stock market cooperates with your retirement dreams, for sure, and it did for me. I was investing in my 401(k) from 1982 through 2004 and, except for the 2000-01 recession, that was a HUGE bull market for US stocks.


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...and we may not even get social security. The money we do make is losing value faster than any "low risk" investment can keep up.

Agreed. SS and Medicare will have to be trimmed if these programs are to survive. I have long thought that we need to: 1) raise the retirement age by 1 year per decade that a person is from age 65; 2) increase the amount that the employee and employer pay by 1/2%; and 3) increase the medicare co-pay for those who can afford for them to be raised. These simple steps would ensure that the programs remained viable. It would also help if the US government would stop raiding these funds, spending the money, and issuing IOUs for some future generation to pay.

As to those low-risk investments, I hear you on them. My folks are having trouble earning much of anything on their savings these days. The yields on CDs are abysmal. They used to earn 4-5% on these and that was enough to supplement their retirement money quite nicely. Not so these days and I am scrambling to find them some alternative investments that can potentially earn
a higher yield without being terribly risky. Big cap blue chip dividend paying stocks, Asian mutual funds, and REITs seem about the best, although one must watch the interest rates very carefully so as to not be blindsided by rising rates.
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