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Doesn't PCGS call the weak D cents No D weak reverse?
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PEOPLE - Bag Marks DO NOT indicate circulation.
Unless there are sufficient bangs and scratches that might make it uncirculated DETAILS, those marks DO NOT change an uncirculated coin to a circulated grade or status.
They affect uncirculated technical grade and they reduce eye appeal, both of which reduce value. But not from 60-70 to a lower than 60 technical grade. Correct. Marks and scratches on a coin do not affect the technical grade. I agree that this particular coin appears to be worn, however. Edited by SilverDollar2017
02/28/2018 7:46 pm
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and put it in my Dansco's 1922 plain hole Those darn Dansco albums really put the screws to us low income collectors. Try finishing a large cent dansco with all them varieties!  |
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Actually the dies were so over polished, the devices are that weak. The coin maybe a normal weight. A lot of people saved these. The dies were so altered they look like that. When the coin has a strong fresh reverse, they grade the coin by the reverse, not the obverse.
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Especially so with Die Pair #2.
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Quote:"No FG" Kennedy halves b/c the slab says so, but clearly show an FG. These canb be seen on ebay without to much problem. But we ain't talking about uninformed idiots - Oh wait - I guess we are - carry on!! |
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yep, I learned that kind of thing the hard way years ago. bought a clashed E variety morgan, slabbed, the picture *looked like* there was a partial clashed E, but when I got the coin there wasn't really an E there, or even a partial. a little trick photography or odd lighting or photoshop or something, who knows.
lol, I can see the D on that 22 even without my glasses...
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GSC's reply when queried about the coin...
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"Hello xxxx,
Thank you for your email. Yes, this is a weak reverse die variety. There are 4 die pairings for the 1922 plain, and all are recognized as a No-D. Only die pairing 2 is the true No-D with strong reverse. The dies for the 1922 plain were used extremely heavily since Denver was the only mint minting that year. The dies were used until they were literally falling apart, then polished and repaired by hand and used more, which is why the strikes are usually so weak, and the mintmark is either polished away or faintly visible. PCGS or NGC will still notate "no-D" or "Weak Reverse" even if the D is visible, since it is still considered to be of the No-D die pairings.
If you have any other questions, or if you need anything, please don't hesitate to let me know. We greatly appreciate your business and communication.
Have a great day,
xxxxx xxxxxxx
Great Southern Coins
1100 North Main Street | Suite 101 | Boerne TX 78006"
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Simply amazing!
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PEOPLE - Bag Marks DO NOT indicate circulation.
Unless there are sufficient bangs and scratches that might make it uncirculated DETAILS, those marks DO NOT change an uncirculated coin to a circulated grade or status.
They affect uncirculated technical grade and they reduce eye appeal, both of which reduce value. But not from 60-70 to a lower than 60 technical grade. Exactly.  Quote:
Those darn Dansco albums really put the screws to us low income collectors. Try finishing a large cent dansco with all them varieties! Yup.  |
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westernsky, thank you for sharing GSC's statement. yes I agree it is amazing but yet again no surprise there! Quote:
PCGS or NGC will still notate "no-D" or "Weak Reverse" even if the D is visible, since it is still considered to be of the No-D die pairings. So now we can all go get our 22-D's with visible D's out and start making some serious money!! Maybe selling them to GSC at 50% discount  Edited by Chase007
03/01/2018 4:36 pm
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Look at it like this, GSC sells a decent 22 weak D for $90.00 mislabeled and all. L and C labels it correctly in a PCGS slab and asks $900.00. Fair point. |
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Bag marks reduce a grade for coins. The third party graders don't reduce a grade for Machine Doubling. (To me I would not purchase the coin) but they don't consider die state either when grading. (but an earlier die state gives a coin better eye appeal) |
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There are 4 die pairings for the 1922 plain, and all are recognized as a No-D. Only die pairing 2 is the true No-D with strong reverse. Only die pair two is recognized as a no D by the grading services. Years ago they recognized the others as no D's if the D was not visible. They stop doing that about 20 years ago or more. |
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Hmmmm, if a '22-D with a visible D is a "no D," then wouldn't all my weakly struck 1911-D, 1912-D, and 1913-D Lincolns also be the same new "no D" variety of those dates? Why we could all have our own "no D" coin puppy mills.  And to think I believed the only "no D" with a visible D down the road in Denver belonged to the Broncos . . . |
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Only die pair two is recognized as a no D by the grading services. Years ago they recognized the others as no D's if the D was not visible. They stop doing that about 20 years ago or more Absolutely! The seller at Great Southern Coins has come up with his own interpretation of No D! Edited by Chase007
03/01/2018 10:53 pm
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