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I am hardly an expert having seen less than a dozen of these but agree there are several die characteristics that match.
I think this is definitely worth sending in for grading.
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Here is a look at the two different coins that kbbpll notes that are a match. If there is a die pair with the same obverse and reverse, I agree the coin appears genuine. OP  PCGS  PCGS  OP  |
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Well, it seems like we can tell that the two coins in Slider23's comparison images did not come from the same dies. See the distance between the denticles at 12 o'clock to the top ring at the reverse. There seems to be a rather large space in the OP's coin between the denticles and the top ring. Looking further down at the authentic coin, the space between the denticles and the top most ring at 12 o'clock is very small. Thus we can conclude that although the design is very similar, the reverses did not come from the same die. In the 18th century we know that denticles were on the die from examples of off center struck fugio cents as in the example in the 3rd picture shown below.    IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Do you just know these in your head, like how on earth can you pinpoint them like that? Haha, nah, I just like looking at details I guess. I know next to nothing about Fugio cents. First, I noted how wacky the arrangement of WE ARE ONE appears. I went straight to Heritage and started hovering over their large images looking to match that arrangement. Then I noted the vertical die crack in the second OP image, which clearly matched. Then the text of a listing mentioned the obverse die clash, and I noticed it on the OP image too. From there I narrowed my Heritage search to "fugio cent clash" and lots of them popped up. Next I zoomed in on side by side images and started comparing tiny details. @numismatic student, I'm convinced this is die pair N. 13-X, W-6855. Search Heritage for it and compare all the little things circled below. There are a few with weak or abraided more distant denticles; I don't have an explanation for what you observed or why. However, the fact that so many other features are identical seems convincing to me. Is it a fake from this die pair? I can't say for sure, but if so it's really good.  |
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Fugios varied widely since quite a few were struck on "recycled" planchets. Double strikes, single and double clips, overstrikes, heavily clashed dies, die cracks/chips, and planchet voids are all to be found. I think OP's coin is possibly authentic. It looks like a typical 13-X but with planchet issues especially on the obverse. This is one of the most common Fugio varieties, and there are many high-grade examples thanks to the Hoard. The planchet striations and obverse clashing also look as expected. There is a planchet void on the dial at I, and quite a large area of peeling from MYB over to the left star. Here is my O-14, an NGC VF20 coin, for comparison of OP's coin vs. another STATES UNITED variety (although this one is R4 instead of R1). I think OP's example is at least VF30.    Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Paralyse got it, 13-X not a bad coin at all.
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01/14/2024 04:36 am
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Thanks everyone. I'll try to get some shots of the edge. When I say I "found it" I mean it was in the bottom of some of the boxes that I inherited from my grandfather's collection. It was a loose coin, and me being an extreme novice, I had no idea what it was but it looked interesting. Thanks for all the feedback. |
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Let us know what you find out.
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I'd be shocked if this wasn't genuine. I don't see anything to indicate a fake, and have never seen a fake Fugio that duplicated every small die crack and die marker.
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This is a very interesting and informative post.
Stuff like this is what this place should be.
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Looks good to me. Nice coin !
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Looks like the real deal to me however I must admit, Fugio's are not my area of Colonial expertise. That would be Colonial Coppers of Vermont.
Let us know what you find out if you've since submitted it or otherwise.
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Wonderful, historic and real coin! Your grandpa had a sharp eye and keen sense of value when he was collecting! Pure "jelly"!
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