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Hello All, I posting this on behalf of my father who is a die hard collector. In the last box of used pennies he purchased from the bank he found the attached 2004D penny. I have not found any post showing this error on any other 2004D. Does anyone have information I can pass along to my father. On the second half of the other penny you can see the Trust is spelled backwards. When we looked at it under a microscope the two at stamped perfectly as one. The backside is normal without errors. Thank you, Bob  |
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Glue?
Definitely looks like it happened after that coin left the mint
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We looked at that as well. This was the reason he used the microscope. The strange part besides the fused second part is the reversed Trust lettering not only reversed but if you look close at the "I" part of IN GOD WE TRUST on the fused part and original penny stamped over the "T" on the half part.
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Pillar of the Community
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Could it be a thin slice of the obverse die that flaked off and landed on this guy during a subsequent strike? I know that's really "out there" but has that happened? Or a copper flake from a prior strike that came off its planchet and was transferred to the next coin? The latter seems more plausible now that I think about it.  |
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 to CCF. No pro but it looks glued on so PSD.Not an error. John1  |
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I am thinking that it may be significant that RTY from the whole coin is on the extra portion. Wouldn't that suggest that this happened during the strike? A most interesting coin! Thnks for posting it and to CCF! Edited by Pete2226
07/15/2016 1:53 pm
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Looks like a piece of plated foil that was glue onto the coin. You can see the reversed (mirrored) letters, but on the jack you see where the rim was on the piece of foil that didn't get flattened down on the this coin. With the outline of the glue around the foil and the rim (where there should be none on the jacket, it screams out to me altered. The color difference is also suspicious to me. |
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Thank everyone for the welcomes!
I know it looks really odd and I agree with this statement. I asked my father if he was willing to do one test and I'm sure you would have responded the same way as he did if you are collector. We all know vinegar has different reactions to different metals. If it's copper it would clean the copper to a pink like new color. If it's some type of aluminum plate it will create a reaction turn parts of it to black where the vinegar acid eats through. His response was "If this is real I now have restored the coin which is the worst thing I could ever have done".
If anyone has another option to test the glue/plated theory please let me know.
Again thank you for all the replies so far. I have also asked him to get with my brother to take better pictures of the coin. Top view, side micro view and one using the 50 power magnifying glass dad uses to see all the details. This thing is 12" circle mounted on a pivot arm. If he can focus through the glass we should be able to see everything!
Since,
Bob
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Bedrock of the Community
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I would not do anything to the coin, until I was pretty sure
what it is.
Was the coin in a BU roll of 2004 D cents?
Or a mixed roll.
I feel for there to be a chance it was something done at
the mint, it would need to be from a BU roll.
I am no expert, the only thing I could think might have
happened at the mint ....
Possibly a previous strike had something on it .. strike
thru. That ended up being stuck to this coin.
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The most likely answer is that somehow this happened after leaving the mint.
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It's glue.You can see the back side of Lincolns head along with part of the bust because the glue dried clear. The copper behind the glue is nice and shiny because the glue prevented oxygen & moisture from oxidizing that area at the same rate as the rest of the coin. It's glue
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07/15/2016 9:35 pm
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NO VINEGAR. If YOU choose to "clean" it use PURE acetone only. Before using acetone read up on it here on CCF by typing in the search box upper left of page. John1 |
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If it did happen at the mint it is Likley a reverse lamination peel that flipped and was struck on.
Everything seems to line up dead on. Seems like a lot of trouble to go through glueing it on just right only to put it back in circulation.
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The thing that puzzles me is "RTY" in LIBERTY.. Also difficult to know what you have without personally checking it in hand.. Edited by Broken-Coin
07/16/2016 10:29 am
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I just re-read your description,and what you call fused
I call embedded..
The more I look at this, the more I believe it to a genuine error..
Is it possible to post other photos on different angles?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say 95% chance it is a genuine error with a 5% chance it is post mint created..
Edited by Broken-Coin
07/16/2016 7:54 pm
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Just PMed Mike,  John1 |
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If the foreign item occupies a level above the rest of the field and design, then it was added outside the Mint. The presence of a design rim impression and an incuse, mirror-image LIBERTY adds to this possibility. The presence of these details makes no sense from the standpoint of a struck-in error.
Error coin writer and researcher.
Edited by mikediamond
07/17/2016 07:59 am
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