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How Do You All Recognize A Fake Morgans?

 
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 Posted 07/21/2021  3:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Greg250k to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'd like to hear from you experts on how to tell if a Morgan is a fake. I'm attaching photos of a coin that I know is a fake. I bought it as a fake as a reference. But I'm not really picking out any detail that determines it as a fake. I have not yet weighed it.

Help?



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 Posted 07/21/2021  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add suipakpaikungfu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Weight. Magnetic test. Surface quality (Grainy is bad...) Compare letters / devices to
a genuine coin.
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 Posted 07/21/2021  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the weight is correct the rim of the coin will be noticeably thicker than a genuine coin.
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 Posted 07/21/2021  5:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
weight test first, diameter and thickness second and specific gravity third. Other quick options are the tissue test and the ice cube test. Naturally, grainy surfaces, mushy lettering and pimpled fields draw suspect too.
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 Posted 07/21/2021  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfamind to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Finer features give fakers fits. Dates and denticles can derail dirty dealers, too.
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 Posted 07/21/2021  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Silver Searcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the CCF, Greg!

Sometimes a fake coin just looks "wrong."

This isn't foolproof, of course - genuine coins can appear "strange," and fake ones can be so good as to look perfectly normal.

Also note that toning, wear, and improper cleaning can all make determining a coin's authenticity difficult. This is why quantitative testing, like weighing, is so important.

Pictures also make identifying fakes more difficult. Not everyone is skilled enough to produce images that show a coin exactly as it appears in hand.

For example, here is a topic I posted a few years back about an 1881 Morgan. One set of pictures made the date look highly suspect, but another image with different lighting made it appear normal. One forum member even asked if the second image was even of the same coin - my so-so photography skills made them appear that much different!

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 Posted 07/21/2021  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Somehow this coin was struck with both the obv and rev sideways.

Sorry to bust on you a little bit @greg. Seriously though, weight, dimensions (including thickness), specific gravity, attracted to a magnet, and silver alloy are my primary tools for identifying fakes.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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 Posted 07/22/2021  6:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greg250k to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I definitely see the grain is very different than the real Morgan. And I will have to bring my scale down from the cabin where it's been weighing broadheads and bullets. thanks to all of you for the tips. And no worries about busting on me Spence. That's how I'm figuring out all this Morgan info.
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 Posted 07/24/2021  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pmint1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The clashes die reverse is a nice touch.
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