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Well, this just walked in, and it looks like an uncirculated 1860 O Seated half dollar that was struck though a struck half dime. The half dime has artifacts that show it was a struck coin before it was struck into this half dollar. This is one more that has to go in for grading!      |
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Without the struck on dime, the half should weight the normal weight? It could be real or counterfeit? But looks correct. So the weight would be the place to start?
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A first for me too. @ two, can you please add a pic of the back side of the smaller piece? Thx.
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13.7 grams total weight.
1/2 dollar 12.4 grams
!/2 Dime 1.275 grams
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if it were struck through a struck coin it would create a brockage on the blank part of the reverse. is there an incuse image of a half dime there that isn't visible in the photos? I collect low grade large cents. I currently have >230 Sheldon varieties and >235 middle date Newcomb varieties.
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 Also the bottom does not line up. could be just the placement in the pic but the L does not match and the Period is not circular. Just my opinion.
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Wow, that's crazy. Since the weights are close to correct for two separate coins, it seems like a blank half dime planchet snuck in with the half dollar. That seems more likely than an already struck half dime, and as @carrscoins says, one would expect an incuse (and reversed) image from the half dime. But you have it in hand. |
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What the?...Can you add what the approx. thickness of the half dime is? Just wondering, the bottom of the void in the half dollar shows the image of the eagle and branch, so does this show the half dollar was struck before the half dime was struck into it?...or am I seeing things? The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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I bet Mike wants to see this post. John1  ( I'm no pro, it's just my humble opinion )
Searched 6.5 +/- Million Cents Since 1971
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The half dime on the back side has light remnants of its lettering that where not destroyed. As far as if its real.....All Day Long! This had to be an intentional made error. The coin is an UNC and so is the strike through obstruction. I just have never seen anything like it. |
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Second thoughts - if a half dime, whether struck or just a planchet, is on top of a half dollar planchet, and they both get struck, how is the half dime so cleanly incused into the half dollar? It seems like it would be severely mushed on the surface and not so sharply incused into it. And if the half dime is struck all the way in so that it's flush with the half dollar surface, where did all the corresponding metal volume from the half dollar go? |
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im skeptical. I see a couple things that dont seem right to me. the details dont line up from the small piece to the large piece. in your image with them together the period after dollar is way out of alignment but on the opposite side the wing, neck and leaves are all correctly aligned. the top of the 8 in the date isn't there. if the half dime was struck why didnt the image transfer to the half dollar? why doesn't the edge have reeding? why is there a partial image of the eagles wing in the blank area? on the reverse there appears to be a raised rim in a couple spots. its most visible between the H and A in half dollar on the larger piece. the dentils look really long this is a really interesting thing. ive been trying to work it out all day. hopefully it ends up being something really cool and legitimate. I collect low grade large cents. I currently have >230 Sheldon varieties and >235 middle date Newcomb varieties.
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01/21/2023 10:17 pm
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The obstruction fits up 100%, the image I took with it inside I didn't fully line the 1/2 dime up. The overall weight of both pieces and of each separately are the correct weight of an 1860 Seated half dollar and a half dime. Under as 10 and 15 power scope the struck 1/2 dime has left very light incused artifacts inside the crater in the half dollar. The obstruction also has light artifacts on the outer edges where its lettering was. A half dime is and was small and thin, when you hammer a light and thin planchet into a much harder planchet the lighter item will lose almost all definition. This coin as well as 20 others I bought will be going to PCGS Monday for grade and error attribution. While I understand questioning if any coin or error is real, this one is a no question obstruction error. I am almost 100% certain that this was done intentionally back in 1860 in the New Orleans mint. This coin is an uncirculated coin with its obstruction still in hand, I can't see how it's still with its obstruction post minting. Unless it was "Made and walked out at the same day it was made". Included in the items in this collection is a 1945 Broad struck Mercury dime, 1961 D Cent struck on a dime, 1964 Half struck on a silver quarter, a nickel struck on a penny, a 1983 "Zinc Only struck Cent", an 1891 wide double struck in and out of collar V nickel, an 1895 Broad Struck Indian cent....... plus, some other things. |
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id love to see a pic of it correctly aligned. Quote:A half dime is and was small and thin, when you hammer a light and thin planchet into a much harder planchet the lighter item will lose almost all definition. the planchets are the same metal content. if the half dime was struck it would have been harder than an un-struck planchet. good luck with it. I look forward to seeing what PCGS has to say about it. I collect low grade large cents. I currently have >230 Sheldon varieties and >235 middle date Newcomb varieties.
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01/22/2023 12:25 am
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