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Pillar of the Community
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Why is it so hard to design beautiful coins these days? I cannot stand the Washington quarter's obverse since the 1990s, I think the Lincoln Shield cent and the Memorial Cents are ugly, the Presidential dollars are horrible front and back... and most of the commemoratives that have come out since 1982 lack the type of artistic sweep of the pre 50s commemoratives. I don't think Congress will authorize the displacement of the presidents on our coinage- which is why we are going to go through 20 years of vanity quarters and ten years of vanity dollars... but what hope does the hobby have going forward if modern issued coins remain so ugly? What do you guys think about the state of our coin design?
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Pillar of the Community
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People collect 70s era Corvettes but no one collects 70s era Chevettes. Same maker, same years, it is just a matter of personal taste. Today Ford Edsels are highly collectible but in their day were considered extremely ugly. Time and styles have a way of changing people's views. Most people would say the 80s produced no cars with much great aesthtic value but car collecting is still very much alive and well.
Look at it this way, if someone offered you a Massachusetts Colonial issued coin that simply was a round slug with a "NE" stamped in it, would you turn it down? There is nothing beautiful about it but you would accept it just the same. Collecting is more of a personal matter and what is beautiful to one is ugly to another.
Edited by unholyroller 10/22/2011 9:11 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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I agree - a lot of what is put out today is complete slop. Poorly designed with no artistic merit.
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Pillar of the Community
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well I disagree and like many of the modern commems have you ever read the contempory comments on the barber coins or the colombus halfs? they thought they were ugly in their day as well and 9 the coin in your AV is that really that good looking heck she makes SBA look good
Edited by yotie 10/22/2011 9:41 pm
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Rest in Peace
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I've gone on record before as stating that most of the modern designs are quite acceptable, if not elegant. I especially like the symmetry of the shield cent, as opposed to the "pasted on" appearance of the LMC reverse, and the modern nickels are refreshing. At first I wasn't in favor of continuing the commems on the reverse of the quarters, but the professionally-designed scenes are quite nice (and if you don't agree, hold up a Wisconsin or Florida quarter next to any of the parks quarters and examine both). As unholyroller states, it's a matter of taste, and people hated Morgan dollars when they were first minted - so it's also a matter of getting used to new designs.
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Pillar of the Community
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PLS took the words right out of my mouth...
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Bedrock of the Community
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We all know that not everyone will like the same things. Of course this subject has been gone over many times on this site. Where I would be very open to going back to some of the older Liberty coins. Like Standing Liberty quarters and maybe some draped bust dollars. I happen to like a lot of the modern coins. A couple of my favorites are State the Park quarters and commemorative dollars. Here is a link to some of the commemorative dollars in my collection. https://goccf.com/t/90228I have a lot of State Quarter Dansco sets, recently I put together two different Dansco State Quarter date set albums. One I put the 56 clad proof 1999 - 2009 the other I put all silver proof 1999 - 2009 quarters. These are on display at a local coin shop. Many of the people that take the time to look at them have started putting together sets just like them. My Dansco National Parks P/D/S/S has only two years worth of coins so far, I think the designs of these coins have even better designs than the State Quarters. The Silver proof examples of these are stunning. And it is really impressive to see the 5 oz. versions of these.
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Pillar of the Community
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The problem with the current Jefferson nickel is that the reverse and obverse don't match up from a design point of view. They have two completely different styles of font. And worst of all, they come from two completely different artistic periods and mindsets, with the reverse being of an early-20th-century styling and the obverse being of a ultra-modern 21st century point of view. It's like mixing metaphors. It fails on all levels. I can't stand the mint's artistic ignorance. They have such an opportunity to make us feel good about our country through an aesthetic device. Our coin designs are supposed to directly reflect the spirit and meaning of our country. And the mint has no idea how to do it. The shield reverse for the LHC looks like plastic play money. The Presidential dollar has all the charm of a subway token. And they come out with so many reverse designs for the quarter, it makes me think they can't decide what to do. Their incompetence is legion, of course. They came out with the 20-cent piece in the late 19th century, and it looked almost exactly like the quarter and was almost exactly the same size. Didn't anybody there think that people might confuse the two? (They didn't and they did.) Then, 100 years later, they made the exact same mistake with the Susan B. Anthony dollars. At the time, the mint claimed people wouldn't confuse them with quarters because the inner rim of the $1 coin was lined with an 11-sided polygon, which people could tell by touch would make it feel different than a quarter. And now, they have billions of presidential coins languishing in the vaults. Perhaps, if they found a way to make people feel excited about these coins, they'd experience more success. They need to hire a good advertising firm! And while they're at it, hire some professional sculptors to come up with compelling designs that will make us feel good about our coinage and our country. For the record, my favorite modern design is the Roosevelt dime. It's the only modern coin that hasn't been touched since it came out. I know that may sound boring to some, but tradition does have its place.
Edited by jpsned 10/22/2011 11:09 pm
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Some of the modern dollars have good designs and others are  like this one.   The reverse has some merit but the obverse oh boy!
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Quote: Perhaps, if they found a way to make people feel excited about these coins, they'd experience more success. They need to hire a good advertising firm! They did. I remember dollar coin ads back in 2007: "The Presidential dollars are real change. Use them." People just don't like them. Simple as that. It doesn't matter if they had, say, the Buffalo nickel design on them. They still wouldn't be used.
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I personally don't really like any of the modern coinage designs or any of the commemoratives. I'm not nearly old enough to have actually seen Mercury dimes or SLQs circulate. I do also agree that for many nicer designs, there was complaining going on at the time of issue as well. If you look around the world, most country's circulating coinage is utter garbage as far as artistic merit. It makes Roosies and Lincolns look amazing. I don't think it really would effect modern coin collecting as much as astronomically large mintages hindering any of it having real value. There is much more to be said for the real ugliness across the board of small size notes versus some of the amazing designs seen on the larger size notes. I don't even collect notes, but if I did, I would have stopped as soon as series 1928 came out. They should change all of the notes to that plastic like material which lasts 10x as long and re-beautify them. edit...to say that the reverse of the $2 small size note is kinda nice, but that's it....and that one doesn't circulate.
Edited by hesgut 10/22/2011 11:50 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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There are going to be as many differing opinions on this subject as there are forum members. While I agree in general that modern US coinage since the clad period leaves a great deal to be desired, the artistic infusion program since the early 2000's has really infused new life into US coins, though the majority of them are seldom seen, which is unfortunate. By this I mean the changing reverses of the platinum proof coins that started in '97. They were affordable in fractional sizes, and the reverses for Vistas of America and Justice series are well thought out and expertly executed even on the 16.5mm 1/10oz. platinum. It is unfortunate that the 2009 and later designs are only available as 1oz. proofs, eroding their availability and accessibility by the general collecting public further. The other series that's starting the shape up nicely is the America the Beautiful Quarter dollar program. The designs are pictorially uniform with some grand iconic vistas as expected, but also strikingly daring and unusual perspectives, e.g. the below the rim view of Grand Canyon, and the Civil War view of the ironclad USS Cairo on the Vicksburg design. It will be interesting to see if the artistic quality remains fresh and exciting on the other 41 designs. As to scale, the 1" quarters are sublime, if only they circulate as widely as the 50 State Quarters. In the 3" size, the designs are absolutely stunning. The 50 State Quarters are a daily reminder of how NOT to design coins, that is, by committee.
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United States
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Here is my likes and dislikes about todays coinage. The Lincoln Penny is still nice even with the new shield reverse, although I wish they would have added a little something else along with the shield. I don't like the newer obverse of the nickel. I still really like the Roosevelt dime. I still like the obverse of the quarter, however the state reverses have been very poorly designed for the most part, only a handful that I like. Still like the Kennedy half, wish it would circulate. Really like the gold dollars with all the different reverses, wish they would circulate too, also wish they would have made it out of a different composition that does not discolor so easily.
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Pillar of the Community
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The brass $1 coins look like arcade tokens. George Washington resembles Grandpa Munster, while Van Buren resembles Larry of the 3 Stooges.
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Pillar of the Community
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The Morgan dollar was hated as well as the large cent. My grandma would tell me how unpopular they were back in the early 1900s. I think in 100 years all current coinage will be very collectible.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Jpsned has some interesting observations about the in/consistency of styling of more recent coinage. If you take one step back and compare US coins/currency to other countries, our mint products look rather traditional/outmoded. Well, I guess the Swiss have mroe traditional coins, but their paper money is not. The most glaring example is that recent shield cent, done in a 19th C. style, it just doesn't look right to me--it's almost cartoonish. Compare some of the ugly Presidential dollars to the really fine, original work by the designers of the first Lincoln Cent, the Standing Liberty quarter, St. Gauden's work, the winged Liberty dime...all classic designs, and contemporary to their time. Then again, I'm biased...I mostly collect coins 100+ years old.
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