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 Posted 01/22/2012  3:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SilverEye to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was cruising around the Coin Facts pages, and was stunned by the number of coins that the Mint makes. I had no idea we had so many coins. Looking at the penny alone, just the Lincoln Memorials 1959-2008, they coined 427 Billion.

If a Brinks truck can hold 10,000 lbs of pennies before it's axles break, my napkin math shows it would take 285,000 trucks to haul all those pennies around.

Where did they all go?

They have to be in circulation right? I don't hear about gov't warehouses full of pennies like with the pres dollars. Are they seriously sitting in coffee cans and ashtrays all across America? Does the gov't ever take massive amounts of coin out of circulation like they do with bills?

I just can't wrap my head around how many pennies that is and where they all went.
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 Posted 01/22/2012  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coins are everywhere.
Businesses and Banks. And most homes have jar or box or bags full of coins.
And then there are the lost coins. I also metal detect and I have found coins
almost everywehere I have searched. Schools, parks, home site/yards, beaches,
churches, ball parks/sports field and many other places.

I think I read somewhere, that the government thinks there are more coins lost
or buried then there is in circulation.

Also don't forget the coin collectors, there could be 100 milion people collecting
U.S. coins. My collection in this past year has increased by 2000+ coins.
I know there are collectors that have many many more coins than I do.
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 Posted 01/22/2012  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It becomes easier when you look at the entire picture. Even discounting those which have left circulation due to damage, wear, or melting, consider:

427 billion is a big number, but if you allow for half of the population being in possession of Cents (allowing for children & such), that works out to about $28.50 worth of Cents each for 150 million people. Now, I'm in no way a hoarder of Cents, but I know I have more than that just laying around in containers.

Many people deliberately hoard cents. Each of them makes up for many other people who only have the few in their pocket. Then, when you start factoring in the thousands of businesses who stock rolled Cents for change, it all becomes a bit more manageable.
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Yeah, it's a staggering number and numbers that high can be difficult to comprehend.

I don't have a solid answer but think of the hundreds of thousands (or more?) of retail stores, bank branches, restaurants, bars, service centers, vending machines (for other than cents), tip jars, etc. that use cents on a daily basis and I imagine that accounts for most of them. That's why cents exist, after all. And everyone in the country (on average) has a certain # in their pockets, dressers, cars. 312 million people in the U.S. x 100 pennies/person is another one of those big numbers...31.2 billion.

Then there are people like myself with hundreds of dollars worth of cents in buckets and jars, and...

I believe the mint does take coins out of circulation periodically. Take the 1943 steel cents for instance. The mint collected large numbers of them and destroyed them. The U.S. Mint says the lifespan of a coin is ~25 years (although I suspect Zincolns don't last that long with normal circulation). Not sure if there's a process where old/mutilated coins are destroyed or not; I'm sure someone on here does.
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We have 5 people in the immediate family, so based on $28.50 for each of us, I think we've got more than our share - mostly in old coppers ready for the government to change the melting law.

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Pennies are less than worthless now and most people are fully aware of this. It takes more than a penny's worth of time and effort to pick up a penny so people leave them be. Some people just discard all their pennies as being a waste of time. Then there are the accidental losses caused by getting sucked up in vacuums or dropped in a garbage can. Zinc coins lost in the ground can completely dissolve and contaminate the ground in just a couple of years.

Several large trucks were filled by loaders with coins scooped up from the base of Niagra Falls years ago when it was shut down for unspection and "cleaning". Even silver coins could be half eaten away by the churning of debris and coins swirling in the water. Zinc would have a very poor survival rate since most of the coins would tend to be carried away and dissolved (oxidized).

It's only natural that a coin worth less than nothing that costs three times face value to mint would have a very poor survival rate. Look at the copper penny. These remain about 20% of the cents in circulation despite getting pulled out by hoarders. This is because the zinc coins are disappearing at such a high rate. The low mintages are reflective of the fact that pennies are becoming obsolete just like the entire currency system. "Cash" doesn't work well any longer so people switch to alternative means of rendering payment.
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01/22/2012 5:24 pm
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Well my boss throws his change in a large bin at his house, one of these days I'm going to go through it, he has about 125 lbs in it now, all denominations. I'd guess there is over a bag (5000) of cents alone.
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I always look at it the other way round. How do we manage to have enough coins available for circulation. 427 billion cents sounds like a lot but as Superdave said that is only $28.50 worth each for 150 million people. But we have over 300 million people so cut that down to $14.25 And that is over a FIFTY year period which works out to 29 cents per person per year or a little more than 1 cent for every two weeks. So if on average each person loses, destroys, or hoards more than 1 cent every TWO WEEKS, the entire 427 billion cents disappears. I worked it out one time and if each average four person household manages to get rid of one coin per week the entire annual output of the mint is consumed each year and has to be replaced. ONE coin per week! (Got a roll of cents? That is your coin quota for the year for the whole family. A bag of cents is twice your family quota for the entire fifty year period.) So it always makes me wonder how we manage to have enough coins to carry on commerce.
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01/23/2012 6:42 pm
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