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Poll Question
Pick a reason, or add one of your own:


Poll Choices
 Guaranteed grade
 Match other coins in the set
 Higher return on resale
 Everybody's doing it
 because -----

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because...

The few I just sent in (first time ever) will be easier for my wife/kids to ID if anything ever happens to me and it will make it easier for her/them to sell if they so desire.
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because...authenticity, insurance identification and protection from those who would handle and drool on my "pretties".
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04/20/2012 7:23 pm
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Did you vote 3?

I had a customer call with a PCGS VF25 1878cc Morgan dollar. Just for a laugh, I checked ebay closed listings (red indicates no bid):

VF, RAW     $173.29
VF, RAW      157.50
VF25, NGC    150.00
VF25, PCGS   147.50
VF30, NGC    145.00
VF25, NGC    145.00
VF25, PCGS   140.00
VF25, PCGS   140.00
VF25, NGC    134.85
VF, RAW      134.50
VF20, NGC    127.00
VF20, NGC    127.00
VF35, ANACS  125.00
VF25, NGC    125.00
VF35, PCGS   122.95
VF20, PCGS   120.00
VF, RAW      119.00 (cleaned)
VF25, NGC    115.00
VF25, NGC    110.00
VF20, PCGS   107.86
VF, RAW      106.59
VF30, PCGS   105.50
VF, RAW      105.00
VF, RAW      105.00
VF30, ANACS  103.99
VF, RAW      103.73
VF30, ANACS  101.75
18, RAW       90.00-100.00
VF25, ICG     89.00
20, RAW       52.00-89.00


Looks like the big money goes to unslobbed coins, at several different levels. Considering that almost all sold for $75 or more, paying $30-50 to a TPG is mostly a break even, and often losing, proposition.

PS-If you try to duplicate my results, that great looking AU that went for $102.50 was one of the rare varieties made in San Francisco.
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I would only send them in if I had a super exceptional coin, in either quality or rarity. I see no reason to for common coins or common conditions.

I will buy them slabbed however, takes out some guesswork for authenticity and condition.
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 Posted 04/20/2012  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
um lets see, guaranteed authentic? With all the chinese counterfeits, I don't want to take a chance and get a fake coin
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Because -- authentication is important for rarer varieties.

I wouldn't use a TPG for anything but to determine if an extremely valuable and convincing coin is authentic because if there is a mistake somewhere down the lines, that value is "insured."

Grade is art, authentication is science. :-)
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04/20/2012 9:04 pm
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..Because there has to be a universal and accepted grading system to distinguish value, one can't go off of any individuals opinion.
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But there isn't a universal and accepted grading system and every year it changes a bit. Each TPG also has its own slightly differing standards.

I'd love to see an ISO for grading. :-)
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04/20/2012 9:06 pm
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Best long term protection, authenticity.

^ That's why their grade doesn't matter...opinion. You and I have ours too.
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04/20/2012 9:24 pm
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Quote:
I'd love to see an ISO for grading.


That's the funniest thing I've seen period.

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bigg brought up a good point that it doesn't always fetch a premium to be graded. just from browsing ebay a bit it seems that for the lower grades raw will fetch a premium as people hold out hope they strike that high grade coin from the raw as opposed to knowing its already a low grade. now if you hit that high grade and get it slabbed thats a different story
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Quote:
I'd love to see an ISO for grading. :-)
I got that too
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Looks like the big money goes to unslobbed coins, at several different levels.


Who graded the raw ones? Where they XF pieces described as VF? Were shill bidders driving the price up? Imagine paying 20% to 30% more than the retail price of a certified coin. That's what shill bidders do and will again, and again, and again, and again.

Viewed through an ebay microscope, any market can look screwy.
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Believe there is a point about market price of the coin and how much a difference in CHA CHING there is up or down to the next grade.
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Authentication for often-counterfeited (or altered) key dates such as 1916-D Mercury dime, 1909-S V.D.B. Lincoln Cent, 1856 Flying Eagle cent, 1911-D Quarter Eagle, etc.

Not to mention Trade Dollars!
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04/21/2012 10:34 am
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