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1964 Washington Quarter DDO?

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 Posted 02/11/2007  9:10 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add JimR to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
The obverse of this coin appears to be consistent with FS-25-1964-101. However I would love some validation before I get excited. I am still trying to learn the difference between double dies and Machine Doubling.

Also does anyone know what a low AU 1963 type B reverse Washington quarter would be worth?

Thanks

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 Posted 02/12/2007  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nineteen peeps have read my post but no responses.

Any opinions would be gratly appreciated. If I need to post better pics let me know.

Thanks,
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 Posted 02/13/2007  02:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can't see anything...that's why. You have the coin lit from the side, a bad position for trying to show doubling. The lighting needs to be flat onto the surface of the coin shadowing the sides of the devices. The picture also needs to be far closer to the coin - you need to be using a microscope for your image.

With it backed away to that level it would have to be a major doubled die to be visible, and I don't see anything in the photo provided.
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I will try to get some closer pics posted later tonight with better lighting.Unfortunately I do not have a microscope just a good ol Canon S2IS.

The motto is definetly doubled I just don't know whether its from a double die vs. machine ect.

Thanks,

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JimR,

Coppercoins is right,photo is poorly lit.Also looks like you might have moved as you took picture.

From the photos I assume you have a macro on the camera.

As the coins get smaller unless the doubling is pronounced,I find
it harder to image with a camera which is all I have.

Experiment with your imaging.

I take all my photos on the highest image setting,usually TIFF mode.
After downloading if trying to isolate a particular area,I increase image size and then crop out the area I want.I then save as .jpg which reduces the file size greatly.

Try rotating the coin to get the area you want in the best light.You can always reorientate the image once you get it on your computer.

This one was taken with Nikon Coolpix 950 2.1 megapixel which I bought for just over $100,used of course.

Circulated 1964D Kennedy 50c DDO
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hope this helps
RW
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Thanks for the lighting tips RW. I took these new photos prior to reading your post and I think they will work well enough to get some opinions.

I am new at this right now so I am still trying to learn the difference between double dies and Machine Doubling. After looking closer at these pics I am leaning towards Machine Doubling.

However I know you, Copper and others are alot more astute at this than I am so therefore please take a look at these pics and let me know what you think.



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 Posted 02/13/2007  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coffeecup57 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
JimR,

Photos are better,but still need to work on your lighting.

Based on your photos that is not a doubled die.

Based on my personal experience until you actually hold a true Doubled Die in your hands,it's hard to understand the difference.
Even photos don't always help.
One day that light bulb will come on and you'll wonder how
could I have thought that was a Doubled Die.A few years ago I was right were you are now.I am still learning.

If you have a favorite dealer that keeps alot of junk silver on hand especially Kennedy Halfs,Washington Quarters and Roosevelt dimes this is a good place to look.Doubled Dies and RPM's abound in these series.

RW



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RW,

I agree its Machine Doubling. The doubling is on the outline of the words and not doubled like your Kennedy half, which by the way is an awesome DDO.

Thanks again for your input.
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 Posted 02/14/2007  06:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't agree that it's Machine Doubling or a doubled die. Although the image is much better, I still don't see anything outside a normal coin there.
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 Posted 02/14/2007  10:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All the letters in the motto are doubled as well as the date. However I believe the doubling this quarter has would be described as having the "shelf like" appearance that Machine Doubling is said to have.

In any event it has been thrown back in the bullion bag.

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