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I Throw Down The Gauntlet. The Age Of Modern Coinage Is Over

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http://www.coinweek.com/featured-ne...a-1932-1982/

I took this point of view to 12th Chief Engraver John Mercanti when I was speaking to him about his new book. I also brought it up to some folks at PCGS, who seem to agree with me in principle that the age of modern coinage is likely over.

Hubert and I have been sitting on our hands waiting for this piece to be published- we think its our most significant piece of scholarship yet.

let me know how we did and whether you agree!
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 Posted 09/11/2012  5:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinstar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
very good article-- yes the 50 State Quarters was a good idea-- got people looking at coins again--but the future is very uncertain--myself I like the classics better
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Very Well Done Charles

I agree with the concept that we have turned the corner from one design
era to a new one. And as with the classical era, more and more of the
modern era coinage will disappear. But with one major difference.
With thinking along the lines of Sam Petry and Herb Hicks, the moderns
will not be preserved in the same manner as their Classical cousins.
Leading to a great number of true rarities.

On another subject, just curious how the Eisenhower GradeView Project is coming
along ? Anything good to report. There are those of us that are looking
forward to it with great anticipation.

Thank You

Terry
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GradeView- Rob will travel to photograph two prominent collections in the fall. We are working on Volume 1 at the moment. I'm also working with the guys to publish a major article on clad peglegs- which is the lead up to get them FS-401 attribution.

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Truly remarkable and very very insightful.

It shows not only that there are a thousand ways to skin a cat but an infinite number of perspectives on every subject and this particular perspective is one I've hardly glimpsed before now. It would be nice to get some discussion going on the subject.

It seems unlikely that this perspective will be shared by large numbers of people in the here and now. In the future, perhaps half a century, much of this will likely seem obvious and vewry important but for now I wonder how many modern or post-modern collectors care about changes in artistic tastes. In the long term collectors find art much more important to their choices than in the shorter term I would think.

This goes along with something I've been thinking about a lot recently; when was the last time a centurian or ancient Egyptian was born in Kansas. We are all a product of our time and place and the coins we use are a part of the time and place. I think this is one of the things that makes them so attractive. They are dated and in hand.

Kudos again. Great work.
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First of all, Thank You for the update on the
Eisenhower GradeView Subject.

Second, YEEHA Very cool to hear about the upcoming
Eisenhower PegLeg Article. and even having an FS designation
for the PegLegs being discussed by "the powers that be"
let alone having it on the horizon is a reason for
celebration.

Thank You

Terry
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I have mixed feelings about State Quarters. I never saw the point when I was a kid. My grandma always gave us the new quarters to fill a hole when they would come out. It wasn't until I was handed a 1941 Mercury dime as change while working at Walmart a few months ago that I started to see value and beauty in coins. It actually sparked an inerest in history that I didn't previously have, and metal detecting.
I may at some point go for the State Quarters for something fun to do, but I don't think they will ever be very valuable. They certainly are as good in the art department as older coins, but some of them are nice... it's just that with ATB Quarters, states and now state parks, all the trees get lost in the forest. No one tree stands out, you just see a forest.
I don't see and alaskan quarter, I just an ATB that is really common.

Just my Two Cents. Like I said, I might start collecting them if I ever find the book my grandma had me filling before. It would be nice to see all the pictures. I know what a lot of coins look like.... but the ATBs... I can only picture a few!
I guess I really am on the fence about ATBs. Sort of gimmicky, but sort of cool? I dunno. Can't decide
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Great Read
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so do we get a new sub forum?
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So I take it the national parks are seperate from the state? Heh. And here I was so excited I was gunna collect a roll each of circulated State Quarters. ATB adds another 500+$US of quarters to find a place for hehe. Ahh well. I'm using it as an excuse for a savings plan anyway. If I get desperate can sell part of my collection even if its at face value to a local convenience store. :D

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56 new quarters are being made on top of the 50 state. That's a decent savings at $10 a pop....
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Ahh neat. How do those territories fit into the numbers? Is that part of the new 56 or something else? I started all this with just one of those foldout (all be it nice) card boards with flat slots for each state plus 'territories' and there's 54 of them I believe. 50 states plus like Guam and a Native American, think Puerto Rico, one other or similar one. The last ones are listed in 2009 I believe unless I have my memory wrong again.

When I bought it I chose it because it said "Now including..." and seemed to have the most of all the options hehe. (I know such a professional informed decision.... .

And yeah. I'm in a situation where I am 'required' to keep my bank account + cash on hand below a certain amount but being that I really am collecting these in an organized manner and not just piling them into a huge bag saying 'save for later' hehe they act as kind of a nice loop hole I can argue with if it ever becomes a real issue. I am even getting a nice 'display case' made. Some kind of nice wood with holes for each unbreakable screw top tube. Guess I'll need two hehe.

(Hope I'm not derailing the convo, please let me know if I am, I am not good at knowing. .
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Schwanke the 56 is the 50 states plus DC, Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, Marinara Islands, and the Virgin Islands from the 2009 set.
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I saw this though on @Broseph:


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it's just that with ATB Quarters, states and now state parks,


And then @Broseph again:


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56 new quarters are being made on top of the 50 state


So I was trying to figure out which was which.

I see states, territories (the ones you listed in your definition of the 56), plus state parks.

If the 56 is the states + territories was the 50 the state parks?

But the 56 are all ready out and have been for years where as I havnt seen any state parks yet, his quote implies the 56 were made second.

My guess is its 56 states + territories and 56 parks?

Confused?
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But, but... If the "Modern" era is now over and we are now in the "Post-Modern" era, what will we call the next era? The Post-Post-Modern era?
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No, next comes Pre-Apocalypse. That should yield some really cool coins. It's 56 states, D.C. and territories (1999-2009) and now 56 (same states, D.C. and territories) (2010-2021) and not parks but sites of national interest and in order of the date they were recognized as being of national interest (which is why Hot Springs beat out Yellowstone). The Pre-Apocalypse series will be in order of socio-economic collapse.
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