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Now hold on, Dave. I say we always need to consider whether it's a counterfeit or not. Chinese seller is huge red flag, but still circumstantial evidence. The work we did above establishes the proof. So all Chinese are counterfeiters? Are all Mexicans thieves? Are all Jews ticklish?
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Rest in Peace
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Its just extremely unlikely to get a legitimate type of this coin from China. Extremely, extremely unlikely. Even in a slab. Based on experience.
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Chances are, paypal will just let you keep it...I wouldn't let the guy relist it and try to scam someone else. Plus, you could keep it as a learning experience.
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I got it from China and paid $260  I really hope you get a refund--return it ASAP and good luck!  |
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Can't you just file a not genuine claim...and you don't have to return it? That way you don't have to pay the insane shipping fee?
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The reverse looks very similar to me to at least one specimen from the Big Tree Coin Factory in Fujian province.
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Now hold on, Dave. I say we always need to consider whether it's a counterfeit or not. Chinese seller is huge red flag, but still circumstantial evidence. The work we did above establishes the proof. So all Chinese are counterfeiters? Are all Mexicans thieves? Are all Jews ticklish?
I will agree with you on all technical aspects of this statement regarding things Chinese. On the others, well, no Mexican has ever stolen anything from me and I've never tickled a Jew, so I'm not qualified to judge.  What I *will* say, though, is that in the venues normally populated by newer collectors, the chances of finding a real coin of this type originating in China round to zero. |
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I would definitely NOT return it and immediately contact paypal, ebay, and/or your credit card company. If you return it, you may end up with no coin and no money. Paypal will tell you to not return it, and destroy it. |
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The bottom image is a Big Tree counterfeit, the top a genuine B-5/BB-242 1802 dollar; mschriskim's coin is in the middle. See how many similarities you can find between mschriskim's and the Big Tree. Note the position (and relative "fatness") of the stars to each other, the position of the olive leaves next to the I in STATES, the banner relative to the E in UNITED.    And sorry, SsuperDdave, I just get riled whenever someone says something like, "We can all stop thinking now." By Descartes' definition, when we stop thinking is when we cease to exist! |
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And sorry, SsuperDdave, I just get riled whenever someone says something like, "We can all stop thinking now." By Descartes' definition, when we stop thinking is when we cease to exist!
No offense taken. I chose those words for the same reason I'd tell a newer collector, " Never clean a coin," and down the road when they're less-new, I'd start explaining the appropriate exceptions to that rule. Too much information, too early, will overwhelm someone who hasn't even realized the huge scope of necessary knowledge yet. You can't pour 5 gallons of water into a 2-gallon bucket. |
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i'll never understand the oppression of comedic genius
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Never, ever buy a rare US coin from China, 99.8% of the time it'll be a counterfeit that will vary in quality. Some can even fool experts, they are getting that good at replicating complex designs with the correct metal composition. Your coin is probably from a slightly earlier period, with the coin made from a tin composite and has that "tinny" look a real F-VF bust dollar wouldn't have. Definitely file a claim with PayPal today and report the seller to ebay. Sorry that you've been duped, but a too good to be true bargain seldom is. |
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If it's a Big Tree counterfeit, it will likely be .900 silver, and pass the "ring" test. They even have a modern approximation of a Castaing machine for the edge lettering.
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I *will* offer this as a counterpoint: The only example of 1921-P VAM-3U I've ever owned or even seen - they're far rarer than anyone realizes - came from China, and it was unquestionably authentic. It's simply not possible to precisely duplicate the characteristics of that variety in a counterfeit.
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