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Are These British India Silver Coins Fake? Pls Help

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 Posted 10/20/2012  08:54 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add arunpkrishnan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I bought these from a seller on ebay, but on Closer Inspection on hand I feel these are fake. The seller swears they are original and from his private collection.

I hope he is right, but I am not so sure.

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 Posted 10/20/2012  09:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They look real to me. Are all three of same diameter and what are their weights?
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 Posted 10/20/2012  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These rupees are genuine. The problem is that they have been very badly cleaned with metal polish. The ASW is very slightly more than in the pre '64 half dollars.

A comparative ring tone test against each other should reveal at least the same metal content for each.
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I just got them weighed.. they weigh 11.74, 11.35 and 11.61 grams each..
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 Posted 10/20/2012  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arunpkrishnan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And they all have the same diameter as the other original Silver 1 rupee coins in my collection
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 Posted 10/20/2012  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rdwarrior to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some of the details just don't look right, the ear on the 1907 is pretty crudely done, as well as the spaghetti looking hair on the 1877. Even something on the 1916 just doesn't look right, I just cant put my finger on it. I would suspect them all as being fakes.
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 Posted 10/20/2012  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Windchild to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The first two don't look right to me either... no idea why.
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I have no problem with either the 'spaghetti hair' on the Vicoria or the ear on the Edward VII. I have several of both and they look okay in comparison, the ear does seem to remain prominent even after some wear. But... as sel_69l says they have been very harshly cleaned.
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 Posted 10/25/2012  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would have said - all modern forgeries based on what I see. But as I have said on a few occasions - pictures can be deceptive. There is no substitute for seeing the coins in person.

But were I to see these I would buy them ONLY as Non-silver counterfeits (Modern - NOT contemporary).

Reasons:

1. The 1907 edward Rupee has poor (cleaned) surfaces so at best this coin is bullion. But look at the lettering - focus on the two R's in Emperor. To my eye they are NOT identical and look just like a re-cut transfer die. Also look at the edge - on both sides I think I can see deformation from the reeds. That is very unlikely to ever occur on a real strike from a collared press. Note the irregularities in the surface between the edge and the dentil arc. Typical of forgeries not real coins. The strike is dead flat no camber at all.

2. The Victoria has similar rim problems and has far poorer detail than on coins I own. It could be to the excessive harsh polishing. But in no event is this coin worth over melt. Also I am bothered by the die damage at the letter D in INDIA and the fine overcuts in the details of the leaves and flowers.

3. The George is the worst of the three with all of the problems of the first two only WORSE.

I vote Chinese Modern and NOT Silver.
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 Posted 10/27/2012  04:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I vote they all real but I can't give you any solid evidence now. Just my subjective opinion, first I don't think they are casted. If they are struck by machine, it add costs to production. I don't think those counterfeiters will do that for such common coins. You can do a ring test to each coin and see they are make of silver or same stuff. English coins are of high standard and less easy to be counterfeit good. You can also give a picture of their edges and compare it with my scans. I trust all my three coins are real!

My findings:
Same sound by ringe test. 1862(11.55 grams), 1905(11.60 grams), 1917(11.64 grams).


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Edge picture: the top is Victoria, bottom is Georg V.


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 Posted 10/27/2012  07:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry to say, but none of these coins look right to me. They look casted and than over polished.
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I would have said they are fake too. The portraits of Victoria and George V at least do not look right.
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 Posted 10/27/2012  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I always can't take good photos from my DC (Canon IXUS 870 IS), can anybody tell me a better DC to take close-up of coins?

Please judge by these two photos and say it is fake or not.



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 Posted 10/29/2012  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 1907 looks far more like a struck coin than the earlier coins. To me the two in fact do not look similar at all.
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 Posted 11/16/2012  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mohur to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coins look fake to me from these pictures. 2/3 are defo fakes for sure.
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They don't look right at all. Edwards ear seems not to be as worn as the hair and the obverse lettering looks off? Victoria's hair liiks like a wire brush, and George's entire obverse looks crude. I'd steer well clear of these.
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