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Sweden
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Hello all. My most recent purchase, a 1854 large cent. Any idea what going on between NI in UNITED and the denticles on the reverse? I find it hard to believe it's PMD. thanks in advance   Edited by epikur
05/09/2013 11:59 am
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United States
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I like the doubling of the date also. Nice coin but I wonder what they were trying to scratch off on the reverse ?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Those marks at NI appear raised to me which would indicate that they are scratches or gouges in the die from a dressing or repair of the die. nlp
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Pillar of the Community
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Yeah, the cleaning, or whatever you want to call it, is a real shame
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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the obverse of this coin looks very nice. Maybe a touch of verdigris on lower right part of coin. The reverse looks cleaned to me. great detail on the coin. Looks MS details.
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 United States
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The recut date is characteristic of N-14, a common variety. Those lines on the reverse are pretty darn unique, though. I'm forced to wonder if they had an influence on later die states as a result of being polished out. They're plainly on the die, and none of dozen or so N-14 examples I looked at had anything resembling this. Wonder who we have around here who's EAC-affiliated.
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United States
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Dave- Good call on N-14. Noyes' new book does show those lines for N-14 die states A and B. They are not nearly as strong in the book as they are on this coin. Perhaps this one should be used for the photo in the second edition.
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Noyes' new book does show those lines for N-14 die states A and B. Ah. Cool. Glad you stopped by; you'd be the one to know about this. Do the later die states show some weakness there caused by polishing the marks down? I can almost think something got in and clashed there. |
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United States
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United States
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Yes they do. They look like what a large coarse file would leave. Given the years, it may very well have been the exact same file that did both!
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Pillar of the Community
Sweden
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Seems odd that the marks doesn't show up on the letters though...If the die would have been filed on, wouldn't the marks have shown up on the letters as well?
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United States
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If the die would have been filed on, wouldn't the marks have shown up on the letters as well? Consider that everything you see as raised on the coin, is a negative on the die. The file - or whatever did it - wouldn't have penetrated deep enough into the die to affect the letters. Those cuts are on the highest point of the die. |
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United States
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BTW, was this photo taken on Cookie Monsters stomach?
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United States
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N-14 and yes, a real shame on an otherwise nice looking coin.
I'd call it AU58 Details.
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United States
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Would die marks really give a coin a details grade? It's not like it's PMD. |
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United States
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Would die marks really give a coin a details grade? Not at all, but the stuff on the center/lower part of the reverse sure is PMD. It's a Details coin. |
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