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How Do You Go About Buying A Coin?

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 Posted 05/17/2013  4:47 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Since I collect very different coins to the majority of people here, this may be of little interest to anyone else. But .. you never know until you try my Mum used to say .. so here goes!

Now it might be best to tell you what I collect first of all, and that's hammered (hand produced and struck) shillings from the reign of Charles I of England (1625-1649) A shilling is 1/5th of a crown, which is our equivalent of a dollar, so 20c or so. Or for those into early colonial coinage, you have your own shillings from places like Massachusetts.

Now, in the UK we have our own equivalent to the Red Book, published each year by the auction house Spink. However, for specialised areas, Spink doesn't recognise all the different varieties of coin that exist. Plus the pricing data is generally based on auction sales, so for rarer coins that don't turn up for sale very often, they can be unrealistic.

Hence I have to rely on my own records of sales and purchases I've compiled off the internet. Plus old auction sale catalogues and a handful of specialist publications. Still the most useful of these to me is a photographic record of a collection of over 1350 coins of Charles I which were bought between the 1940s and 1980s.

The latter acts both as a guide to what's available (particularly during my early collecting days) and record of what, in many cases, were the 'best examples' of the time.

So when looking for a coin to fill a gap, or spotting one that catches my eye, I refer back to my records and books and compare what's on offer with what's 'gone before'.

Is it as good or better than other examples? What price did others fetch in similar condition?

Of course, being individually made, I'm looking for coins that appeal to me. Sometimes a slightly worn example that's not missing any bits and has no weaknesses may appeal more than what is technically a better grade coin.

Plus I find it useful to remember a quote Richard Lobel, the complier of the UK Coincraft catalogue printed in his introduction to that book. He recalls an early mentor of his who saying "when you go to value a coin it is what you have not seen rather than what you have seen that matters" [my emphasis]

And that's as true today as it was then. Some coins are nearly impossible to find. Others can be obtained easily in lower grades. But anything a (British) VF or better can be as rare as (as we say) hen's teeth!

Sounds complicated? Well, I have a good memory for images and my records are fairly well organised, so often it doesn't take that long to check them. And the internet is an invaluable resource too. As are other collectors with whom one can share notes and experiences.

So what usually takes longest is making that decision, once I've uploaded an image of the potential purchase onto my laptop desktop to glance at occasionally! If it's a particularly nice coin or I'm flush with funds, it's usually shorter. And if I have to work too hard to try to 'persuade' myself it's a nice coin, then I start to wonder if it's really for me. But generally, that's how I approach it all.

You?

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 Posted 05/17/2013  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I feel like I have been in the same frame of mind this past year.

When I first started 'collecting' I was a kid and I just kept anything that I liked that I found in my change.

When I got more serious, a couple of years ago, I still wouldn't buy much because I wanted to learn first. I was really worried that I would regret the purchase.

Then it occurred to me that I could always sell whatever I decide I don't really, really want. Sooner or later I will have to sell something or get a bigger house.

So -- I just bought a bunch of silver quarters last month and here's how I decided to look at it. I will keep them for as long as I enjoy them. When I want to, I will sell them. If I lose money, then the difference is the price I paid for having the coins for a while, like rent. If I make a bit of profit ...wheeee!

I think that for a long time I felt like I would have to get my money back, at the very least. I think it was keeping me from enjoying the hobby. I'm still careful about what I will pay and from whom I will buy, but I worry less about how much I might lose. People waste a lot more money on other things.
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 Posted 05/17/2013  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
how do you go about buying a coin?


i see it

i like it

i make sure my wife isn't looking... then BUY IT !
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 Posted 05/17/2013  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Merc Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Sounds very similar Wade!
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Horses for courses.
Depends on what I am interested in at the time. Different people have better specialist knowledge in different areas.
My options for English hammered are
leading Australian auctions, where I happen to know some of the lot describers,
or English dealers or auctions, where I trust that the describers know their stuff.

For lower priced English hammered, I trust my own judgement, and buy from what is available from across the Australian numismatic scene, on an opportunistic basis. Have almost nothing to do with ebay.
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 Posted 05/18/2013  02:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Have a list of what I want/need.

Go to a coin shop or surf the web.

See a coin that is totally unrelated to what I had planned.

Buy it.
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 Posted 05/18/2013  04:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a (sometimes vague) goal in mind. I look or browse for examples and if I like them I'll buy it - that last thaler I bought was really expensive and I probably did pay too much for it - but that pain has gone now - only the coin remains. Like most I'm a bargain hunter so I try not to pay over the odds but on occasion I have just to get something I really wanted. I'm not "that" particular on grade - as long as it has good eye appeal - that's normally VF+ to EF for modern coins (that means milled but pre WWII) but really could be anything for ancients.

When doing my Diadumenian project I bought every example I could find - but that was different as there I wanted to compile the most comprehensive catalog I could. So I have some barely recognizable examples - but they were important because I was doing a die study.
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I mostly buy silver and gold coins so I have to be selective, especially when it comes to gold. Number one consideration is whether I actually like the appearance of the coin. I tend to only buy proofs and uncirculated issues so condition is rarely a concern, but the actual design on the coin itself is very important.



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 Posted 05/18/2013  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grancap74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have collections that I'm always looking at adding to or upgrading, but like many if I see a coin that "speaks" to me then whatever I was planning goes out the window.
Some coins to me are just so wonderful seeing them in person, I just can't pass up the opportunity.
I've mainly bought from LCS but have purchased from ebay before, although it scares the pants off me sometimes doing so..
Love to buy and hate to sell....
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I inspect the coin check mentally for any markers in case its a variety I don't have then I took again and say to myself.
You have at least two in better condition and you don't need anymore.
then I go ahead and buy it anyway.
That's the simple version.

the more complicated version is
That's a nice coin.
How much?
Is that your lowest price?
You know its at least three grade points below what you have marked it?
If I can persuade you that it is will you lower the price?
The veins are missing from the right side leaves.
there is some blending on the horizontal shield lines.
the ribbon on the reverse is not well defined
etc....
Most of the time if I get past the first few comments I get the coin for what I consider a reasonable price.
I might even pay a little over if the guy is willing to listen.
the the dealer just says the grade is correct without defending it then I tend to walk away.
I have several dealers who actively look for coins for me now and they don't even haggle with me anymore which is a little disappointing.
it just a case of how much will you pay me for this one..

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 Posted 05/21/2013  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1. I go to as many coin shows as possible.
2. I go to as many flea markets as possible.
3. I go to as many garage/yard/estate sales as possible.
4. I go to as many coin stores as possible.
5. I never buy coins on line.
6. If I see a coin I like, I'll buy it is the price is OK.
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My approach is very similar to Tom Goodhearts. I have a hunt list I monitor floor auctions and on line auctions, as for pricing I rely on Auction records( More recently I have made use of Sixbids auction archive) and my own experience.
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