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1870 IHC You Vs. NGC. Bold Or Shallow N?

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I am thrilled with this beauty of a coin for my IHC set!! I imagine some will undergrade this based off of NGCs grade, because the coin does appear to have some strike weakness. However, the coin is beautifully mark free, evenly toned, and has plenty of luster in the recessed areas....and is just a perfect fit for my set. One thing I am really unsure of. IS THIS THE BOLD N VARIETY OR THE SHALLOW N VARIETY I took several pics of the reverse, and am not really sure, as I'm no expert in this arena and the slab did not specify. I got a great price for the grade in either case though, so I really am thrilled with this one!!
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 Posted 07/11/2014  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Check robbudo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add robbudo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Shallow n, nice rev die clash, rev die cracks, and obverse die crack.
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 Posted 07/11/2014  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Man I love that crack above states. Yeah shallow N.
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 Posted 07/11/2014  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny54321 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SHALLOW N!! WOOHOO!! This purchase was a homerun then, even if it was slightly overgraded....well maybe not a homerun, but the shallows are worth a bit more in general aren't they?
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07/11/2014 11:14 pm
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AU53, shallow N, great coin .
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AU55 Shallow N looks like that clashing has just about made this die terminal, very cool.
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AU-55
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AU-58
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 Posted 07/12/2014  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow--nice 1870! Shallow N
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Yibbercats and DVcollector nailed it. NGC GRADE AU-58 BN I immediately cracked it out of the slab for my album. I probably should have snapped some photos beforehand, but fortunately we have cert verification photos right here. http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/i...=2629607-006
I understand the lower grades though, since I did not capture the luster well and there is some strike weakness. I paid $450 on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/31098766087....m1497.l2649


The last 3 AU58 1870s with BOLD N sold for:

$558
http://coins.ha.com/itm/indian-cent.../1187-7224.s

$705
http://coins.ha.com/itm/indian-cent.../1184-7195.s

587.50
http://coins.ha.com/itm/indian-cent.../1184-1158.s

And these were all BOLD Ns. I am having a hard time finding an AU58 sale for a shallow N. But I am pretty sure this was a great score....yeah?
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It's a really nice example! The dies for this year were plagued with problems--breaks are common.
Also, I wasn't sure if this coin has a DDR--there are a number of DDRs for this year. What caught my attention was the thick top serif of the N in ONE.
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AU-58 seems right
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Very nice pickup for the price! The "shallow N" variety is slightly scarcer than the "bold N" for 1870. There is also a doubled die reverse for the date 1870 where there is a combination of the bold and shallow types.

The date 1872 has a shallow N variety which is much scarcer than the 1870 shallow N.

The date 1871 is extremely rare with the shallow N reverse. An MS 64 RB just went for sale for $7500!!
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My first thought was AU-58. I guess I was too late. Congrats on getting a high-grade rare variety! For that price on top of that!
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Nice coin John, you are really putting together a NICE set !

I think it's going to end up better thn VF30 LOL !
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Thanks Redrider on the information of the shallow N vs. BOLD N. So at this grade, do you see any price increase based off of the fact that it is a shallow N? The RedBook gives marginal increases in the range of $50 or so in the AU range. Do you think it is fair to say that this coin is valued at $50 more than an equally graded 1870 Bold N?
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