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I don't think that it is incorrect to say that ebay has had a profound impact upon the collectables market in general, and a even larger impact on numismatics. Things that were once considered to be rare are now available in large quantities and prices have adjusted to this new availability of all but the most rare and choice examples. Coins like the 1909-S VDB Lincoln Cent, 1916-D Mercury dime, and 1932 D & S Washington quarters have been exposed as being more common and available than previously thought. ebay and the rise of internet dealers have destroyed local markets for items and have instituted a fairer playing ground between dealers and collectors. Any thoughts on ebay and the internet in general has changed the hobby? Edited by Joe2007 01/01/2015 7:17 pm
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The Internet - ebay is one symptom, CCF is another - has changed everything forever. You, the collector, are empowered like never else before to find knowledge and good deals online. It will be easier to be a coin collector in the future than ever before. It's just as good for the bad guys, too. Knowledge is vital now.
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I disagree with ebay/internet affecting rarity. Rarity is rarity. Coin populations are what they are. Nothing affects that. I don't think that the fact that it is easier for the lay person to find a rare coin for sale makes it any less "rare".
I think that it somewhat affects what people are willing to pay. In the "old days" you were willing to pay a substantial premium because you didn't know when another example of this coin was going to pass through your LCS.
All the information was still there in books, magazines and articles for the avid numismatist. It just was not at your fingertips. You actually had to be a dedicated collector.
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I have been saying the same thing for years. In the old days if you needed a certain coin or comic or sports card you had to go to your local shop and if it was a key date / issue they most likely did not have it. So then you had to go to one of the annual shows and see if you could find it. Dealers knew what they had supply / demand wise and could ask for price guide price or more. Then ebay / the internet came along and as mentioned above the market was then full or once thought to be rare or seen once every 5 years for sale in your locale.
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Interesting question. I think there are pro and con to the internet for the coin hobby. I agree there seems to be more availability of rare coins, and it has had a impact on prices. Coins like the 1909 S VDB have softened. I have had my XF 45 for maybe 3 years, recently I have seen AU coins sell for less than I paid for the XF. Of course would be hard to say if the internet is the cause .. or a soft market. I have seen more S vdb's in the past several years then I have seen in 20 years before that. But then with a little research I am sure I could find coins that have gained value because there is a larger amount of collectors looking at the same coins. Along with the internet the TPG's have helped change coin collecting. We are able to get more information on how many rare coins are out there, and in what grades.
Edited by GR58 01/01/2015 8:53 pm
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
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denco7 has it correct. The internet ( ebay) has not impacted the true scarcity/rarity of any coin (or medal) but it has made them more available and accessible to a wider audience of collectors. With more people, whether dealers or collectors, using the internet to advertise and sell their coins, more scarce to rare coins appear on the market than before. In some cases, this has resulted in lower prices as the new supply has met or exceeded demand. In other cases, the exposure of certain previously "out of the spotlight" coins and medals to a new, larger audience has created more demand for them and caused their selling prices to advance. For me, the internet/eBay has been a welcome addition to my collecting efforts as it has allowed me to locate and purchase items that I had previously not been able to find at the 25+ coins shows I attend each year.
Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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It's never been this difficult to be a coin collector before, because it's never been this dangerous. If you mention coin collecting on Facebook, I can likely find your name and address. Every thief in the world is on the Internet.
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Interesting insight on the TPGs! They definitely give insight on rarity issues and populations and have definitely tempered some prices. They've definitely placed a lot of information in the hands of we average schmucks. I think the Internet and ebay has improved the experience for the average collector. In the 60s and 70s it was really hard to get information and sales information on coins. You had to get catelogs from many different auction houses and dealers to remain competitive and build a decent collection. I was once on auction boards of 9 different dealers. I sometime forgot which coin and where I was bidding. More than once I had to apologize to folks I purchased coins from and completely forgot to complete the transaction; I was never a dealer, just kept improving my collections. What I hate most about dealing with local dealers was the urgency of the "deal". Now you can get instant information and status on any transaction whether ebay or other auction sites. I like the market fluidity and instant access. Coin snipers...not so much...LOL
Edited by carmykle 01/01/2015 9:45 pm
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The internet is a wonderful thing for hobbyists than ever before. Research, acquisitions, etc. Criminals have never on this scale, hijacked our hobby and taken advantage of the uninformed.
Yes, it's a scary time with all your personal info can be had with a few strokes of the keyboard. Education and security are paramount than ever before.
swcoin.ecrater.com
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As a slow witted VAMmer, the internet allows me plenty of time to examine the pictures and do some research before making a decision. I would be embarrassed to spend that much time on a coin at my B&M.
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And for the rookie who approaches the hobby with Chute72's patience, the Internet is the end of the rainbow. It's the ones who are in a hurry who find the trouble.
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^ This :-)
swcoin.ecrater.com
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Rest in Peace
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I think we are missing the point here. in my opinion the reason why we're seeing more rare coins on e-bay is a lot of dishonest folks are trying to pass off fakes to the newcomers . when I first started coin collecting you either went to a coin shop or a local coin show. there was no such thing as e-bay or the internet. there was very little if any, shop or show trying to pass off fakes. yea, the internet change the whole hobby, now you have to look over both shoulders to purchase a coin. Tony P.S. no disrespect to CCF members who sell on e-bay.
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T-BOP has identified what I as well think is a main impact upon the hobby of ebay in particular - it has served as a conduit whereby modern numismatic forgeries have been let loose into the marketplace in quantities never before imaginable. An ancillary effect of the online auction culture has been the rise of outrageous gimmicks to unload otherwise difficult to move stock - witness the recent spate of "unopened" jars of coins, or "unsearched" rolls of Morgans. Who'd have the gall to make such a presentation with a straight face in a shop or at a show? The internet makes it possible to actually sell such preposterous offerings, and at a huge profit to boot. Finally, ebay has also been a boon for the "basement" slabbers, who otherwise would have had very limited means by which to distribute their wares.
Colligo ergo sum
Edited by Lucky Cuss 01/02/2015 11:32 am
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I can say it in three words education education and more education.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: Coins like the 1909-S VDB Lincoln Cent, 1916-D Mercury dime, and 1932 D & S Washington quarters have been exposed as being more common and available than previously thought. Knowledgeable collectors have known those coins were readily available long before the internet came along. Those coins aren't scarce or rare, just costly. Sure you couldn't find them roll hunting, but most coin shops would have them and if you went to a show they were available in quantity. ebay has just made it like being able to go to a coin show any time you want to.
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