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 Posted 05/07/2015  11:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add gotboostedvr6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
How many different JFK coins were released in 2014?

By my count it is 13.

Business strikes 2
Uncirc set clad 2
High relief clad 2
proof clad 1
proof silv 1
50th silv set 4
gold 1
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 Posted 05/08/2015  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This one I think has been answered before...

Red Book says 9 but there are arguments for both 11 and 13 in the following posts:

https://goccf.com/t/191884
https://goccf.com/t/191896
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Thirteen is correct, assuming the mint set coins are different from the bagged and rolled ones.

The links above are an appropriate read, by the way.
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JFK-2014

JFK-2014

JFK-2014
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 Posted 05/09/2015  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice try for a 14th, jack!
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Does the term "counterstamp" apply to an example as drastic as this?
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 Posted 05/10/2015  03:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Regardless, it makes me smile to think of the 2014 Kennedy issues and all the related fuss. What a year.

Personally I love all the 2014 issues. 4, 8, 9, 11, 13 or however you want to fill your album, 2014 was a great year for the Kennedy half!
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At this point, since ALL JFKs are "collector coins" and
NIFC, I doubt very seriously that the mint produces the
"business strikes" and the "mint set" coins any different.
IMO, those are one and the same, until someone shows me
proof otherwise. Your opinion may be more easily swayed.
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I'm still going with 13. :-)
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ratio411,
In 1998, while I was on a tour of the Philadelphia Mint floor, a Mint spokesman told me that coins that go into the Mint Sets are from smaller runs (for the cent it was the first 100-thousand to 200-thousand coins from a die that would eventually strike 1.5 to 2 million coins. He also stated that they were struck with a "little higher tonnage." If things were the same last year we could presumably expect to see the Kennedy halves in Mint Sets struck a little better and be in relatively early die state. This would change nothing else so they'd still be indistinguishable from better struck coins from out of the rolls and bags sold by the Mint -- if things stayed the same as they were in 1998.
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Does the term "counterstamp" apply to an example as drastic as this?
In my opinion, sure, as long as you can still tell what the coin is.
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until someone shows me proof otherwise. Your opinion may be more easily swayed.
My observations from viewing the US Mint site...

They explicitly state on the Mint Set page that "U.S. Mint uncirculated coins are struck on special presses using greater force than what is used for circulating coins, producing a sharp, intricately detailed image. The coins are sealed in blisters and displayed in folders."

Not only is this not mentioned on the page for Kennedy half dollar Bags, they state that they "Contains 200 Coins that have never been placed into circulation," which could imply that they were made to business strike standards.

I think the page fro Kennedy half dollar Rolls removes all doubt. It states that "Each 2015 Kennedy half dollar Two-Roll Set contains 40 circulating quality coins." Surely the bags do not get better coins than the rolls.
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JBUCK...
Yeah, I realized the mint claims they take a little more care, as if
we could tell, with the uncirculated set coins. You kinda made my
point though, with the first post, when you said the mint set coins
are identical in every way, and even use the exact dies that get
used for circs, but we might expect them to show a sharper strike.

I stand by the idea that if I gave you, or anyone, one of each,
you couldn't tell them apart in hand if not packaged/labeled.

It's just not a big enough difference to base 2 more varieties on.
You will have some mint set coins that just simply didn't benefit
from those small steps in the process, and just the same, you will
have new dies and really sharp strikes happen now and again when
they are minting the rolled coins.

It's not a different mint mark, metal composition, surface treatment,
or planchet preparation. The dies aren't even different! The dies
that strike the uncs are then used to strike the rolled coins.
Just doesn't make the cut IMO.

The non-mint mark "S" mint ASEs that people are paying extra to get
slabbed are a joke IMO, and even they have more standing to be a
different hole in the album than these 2 halves.

Edit:
Sorry JBUCK, I accidentally confused some of KOINPRO's post with yours.
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Don't apply any kind of "tone" or "attitude" to my post...
That probably read as arguementative or such, but don't
take it that way. LoL

I am just playing devil's advocate with my opinion.

I know anyone can build a collection any way they like,
and the more coins in someone's album for one year is
that much more impressive. Even I can admit that.
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I just realized that this is going to be argued forever.
As long as there are at least 2 people collecting coins,
this will be a point of contention. LoL
300 years from now, 2 JFK collectors will compare their
sets, and argue over who has the correct quantity!
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