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Help With A 1941 Cent Struck On A Foreign Stock.

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I had already post these coin back in march on the errors and variety forum but we couldn't get an definite decision how it was made. Note how the wheat ears are struck on top of the unknown.
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thru research found that in 1941 the mint was making some medals for a Portuguese soccer team name Benfica and on them they use the E pluribus unum almost on the same location plus a logo on the center that could be the lanes seen on the last picture.
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we couldn't get an definite decision how it was made.

The only person that knows is the person that caused all the damage.It was pressed in something that had some kind of pattern. It most definitely did not come from the mint this way.PMD/ PSD
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What ever it was pressed into was a grid like shape and let the coin take the form of that.
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My first thought was expanded metal, fits the shape. But the areas pressed flat would be the voids in expanded metal. Also, the coin shows inconsistent pressure was probably applied. My thought is it was something like a manhole cover, with diamond like pattern, and was run over by a truck. Just a wild guess though.


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gymcoachdon, the problem is that the other side doesn't show signs of been pressed. the ears parts that cross the would have been gone if the grid was pressed after the coin was minted.
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the ears parts that cross the grid as you call it would have been gone if the grid was put on after.
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The OBV does appear to have a sunken area around the circumference. Maybe the penny was sitting on something only touching inside the rim of the OBV while pressed. Also right above LIBERTY is a pattern-ish looking indent.

Although there are some raised areas on the REV's wheat ears, it looks like instead the raised areas are normal height and the areas around the raised areas are pressed lower onto the surface.
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In my theory, the other side of the coin is contacted by truck tire, no real damage done. Also, appears the coin may have tilted so pressure was applied mostly to the top of the picture above. I see nothing that makes me think it came from the mint like this.
It is an interesting coin!
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What is the weight of this coim. Is it under weight?
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it weights 3.2
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Looks like a the inside of a vise jaw while pressing another coin against your coin. PSD. Nothing in the minting process could make this happen.
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Coop, I think you are correct and the coin it was pressed against was a Mercury dime. Above the I in Liberty is the top of the Y from the dimes Liberty and bellow the cents I from In is the top of the T from the dimes Liberty
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ururman:

Imagine a regular Wheat cent sitting on this platform with the reverse down. The green areas touch the coin, the red do not touch the coin.

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Now imagine something exerts a lot of pressure to the obverse of the coin. The green area digs into the coin and the red areas remain untouched. See how the "Lanes" you describe from your last image are seen in every rhombus? Not just the middle

EDIT: I like the vise and Mercury dime thought
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how do we explain the e pluribus unum?
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it is on the Wheat cent, looks right to me
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