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I have never seen an error like this one. Sorry I didn't take the coin out of the mylar, and for all the schmutz in there.

It really need to be in an airtite.

I picked this up years ago on ebay. I really need to have it conserved.

Can anybody tell me just what the error is? The area to the right of the line seems to be depressed with weakness on the TY of Liberty.

Also, can somebody give me an approximation of Grade? I know that might be difficult given the lack of a reverse photo, but the corresponding reverse is also weak in the same area.

Thanks. If you need better photo(s) I'll try again.

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Welcome to the CCF.
I don't see anything that makes you believe it's an error.
In order to grade, a reverse pic is needed.
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Here's some other pics.... I guess I don't know how to add to the pics, the service won't let me select a new pic.

It also won't let me use anything for hosting but Photobucket. I guess I'll find a new Forum.

Sorry, I kind of liked this place.
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I use Photobucket exclusively. Works fine. Just select the img code and paste here.
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I can't even reply to posters! This Forum is Ridiculous! I thought I was joining a serious Collector's Forum!
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Here is the tutorial about uploading and posting images

And here is the Free Image Optimizer
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Hmmm he sounds familiar lol.
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I can't even reply to posters!


What did you just do then?


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I guess I don't know how to add to the pics, the service won't let me select a new pic.


About 300 images are posted here a day without any issues at all. No one is forcing you to use Photobucket.
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I don't see an error either, and I have no problems posting photos after learning the ropes and using the "Preview" option to check my work. Otherwise, I'm staying out of this one!
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Good luck with that. This is one, if not the most, helpful numismatic forum on the internet.
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Might the OP's coin be an S-239, the so-called elephant trunk variety? I know that many copper collectors oppose the "cute names" that have been attached to certain varieties, but I say, "If the schnoz fits, wear it." Here's mine:

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P.S. - Welcome to the CCF, MikePellerin. I humbly suggest patience on your part. This is a great place for coin collectors!
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Compared to your coin, I'd say it is S-239.

What's the rarity?
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I believe it's an R-3. Vermontensium.
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Sorry for being so impatient. I'm usually a nice guy. I fractured my ankle a couple of days ago and am on morphine. It makes me cranky when it wears off.

ExoGuy: Yes, it looks like that. I can't take a proper pic with my camera phone to show the detail better. Can you give me more information about that error/variety?

And again, sorry to everyone for being a jerk.
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MikePellerin .... Apology noted and hope you'll stick around; become a contributor. We all miss a beat, now and then.

It appears to me that my coin is a later die state; this, as my so-called "elephant trunk" is more prominent, despite having more wear than the subject piece. There are collectors who specialize in die states and will typically place more market value on pieces they covet. That said, the demand for this variety seems modest to me, despite the prominent die break. Personally, I've always liked anomalies in coins and tokens, illustrating aspects that are puzzling and challenge one's thoughts.

IMHO, the 1807 so-called "comet" cent is a sister piece to this one. The names add to the mystique, I think, but some collectors shun these labels. Both the elephant and comet varieties presently exist in sufficient numbers so as to make them collectible. Yet, there currently doesn't appear to be strong enough demand that they rate a healthy premium, price-wise, in the market. That said, I'd guess that these have good potential to be more competitively sought by collectors as knowledge of their existence spreads.

Given that the subject piece is an earlier die state of this error, many collectors would understandably assume that it is the result of PMD. It's only due to my familiarity with this error, this sub-variety, if you will, that I was able to recognize it for what it is. From a coppers' collector standpoint, I believe that it would make an interesting display to see a die progression of this variety. Perhaps, there are a few collectors out there who are looking to assemble such a set, and they would pay a premium for pieces that fit their scheme. To most collectors though, there's but a modest premium apparent. Many a coin or token simply awaits a more appreciative owner, it seems.
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...so-called elephant trunk variety?


Nice catch Exo
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