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The Major Steps Of The Minting Process *updated*

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Over a period of a couple of years I have read message after message by people here who do not understand the basic foundation of what they are collecting. Probably more a thing of them not having taken the time to learn, rather than an inability to get it. That's the purpose of this post...to go through and explain the basics of how things occur, so an understanding of what these things are becomes simpler.

Actually the whole process and the terms used to describe coins that result from each of the steps of the process is VERY simple. People make WAY too much of it and confuse themselves by trying to fit what they see in errors into the wrong part of the process. Doing this, they are left with no clue as to how the coin they have went wrong, and they always tend to misidentify what they have.

First things first...the planchets and dies are prepared:

Planchets start out as large and long sheets of metal rolled into coils. These sheets are fed into a 'blanking press' where the discs are cut out that will eventually be coins. This is where almost ALL planchet errors occur. Things like clips, broken planchets, wrong stock planchets, tapered planchets, etc. all have to do with the quality of the roll of metal being cut, or the machine doing the cutting.

Dies are prepared in a separate shop. A large epoxy design is placed onto a reduction lathe where feelers trace the design and reduce it onto a bar of steel. This is a master hub.

The master hub is used to impress the design in negative relief onto other bars of steel. At this point these bars of steel, called master dies, 'could' be used to mint coins, but these master dies contain the closest possible rendition of the design, so they are reserved to make other hubs called 'working hubs'. The working hubs (now in positive relief again) are used to make the working dies that actually mint coins.

So, to review...one epoxy makes a few master hubs, which make dozens of master dies, which make dozens of working hubs. Each working hub makes dozens of working dies, which mint half a million or so coins each...the copies of the original design spread like a pyramid from top to bottom with each step, because each piece of each step is used to make dozens of copies for the next step.

It's inside these steps where sub-types, varieties, and die varieties occur. Every sub-type or variety requires a new epoxy design and new master hubs...because the design actually changes. Take a star-less design and add stars, you need a new design. Take a date that's too small and make it bigger, you need a new design.

The difference between the starless to with stars design change and the small to large date change is this:

The stars would be added to enhance the design or to tell the public something changed about the coins...like the addition of arrows onto the dimes, quarters, and half dollars of 1853 to tell the public that the composition (silver content) of the metal changed. They actually changed the weight of the coins. THIS is a sub-type.

Now the change from small to large date could be nothing more than a decision to change them because they were difficult to read. It could also be that the dies were breaking too easily because the stress points of the design were wrong. At any rate, the minor changes were something the Mint did to prolong the life of the die or to make the coins look better, but these changes didn't 'tell' the public anything. It could also be as simple as a mintmark punch breaking, and its replacement looked a little different. There was no public reason for changing the deisgns, thus they went unannounced and mintage figures were not kept regarding the changes. THIS is a variety.

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02/24/2008 08:27 am
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Okay, so we've explained the planchet making process, and have gotten most of the way through die making, and why sub-types and varieties come about...now for die varieties:

When the master hub is used to make master dies, and the master dies are used to make working hubs, and the working hubs are used to make working dies, similar processes take place for each of these steps. In order to press the design into each subsequent step of the process, the receiving end of the design has to be heater just right to accept the design. In the past, the design was pressed into the receiving end a number of times to completely fill out the design features. At any point in this process if the receiver wasn't aligned perfectly with the giver, doubling would result...a doubled die. Depending on how far up the process this happened, we could end up with dozens or even hundreds of dies with the same doubling...because if the doubled piece were a master die, it would be used to make dozens of working hubs with the doubling showing, and they would be used to make dozens each of the working dies, further reproducing the same doubling. This happened on cents in 1972, where some minor doubling was created during the master die phase, and this minor doubling was reproduced through the remainder of the process ending up on hundreds of working dies.

Mintmarks were added to each individual working die by hand until 1990. This allowed each individual die to sport its own unique problems with how the mintmark was applied. This is where repunched and over mintmarks happen. In 1990 they went to a new process where the mintmark was included in the master die making process, which removed the need to punch the mintmark into individual dies. The process of adding the mintmark to the master die was watched VERY closely so doubling would not occur, and this effectively removed any future chance of repunched mintmarks and over mintmarks.

Over dates and repunched dates operated in much the same way, but ended in the very early 1900s when the entire date was included in the process BEFORE the working die stage, so that every working die was hubbed with the entire date intact. Repunched dates and over dates occurred because the large design reduced to the small design did not have the entire date on it. It was used from year to year in order to save money. At the end of the die making process, you could see hundreds of dies without a complete date. Punches were used to complete the date on each die by hand. Because the human hand was involved, these punches could bounce, be out of place, etc. allowing for wrong digits, doubled digits, etc. Up until some time in the late 1800s the date was punched into individual dies - thus allowing room for fault in punching the digits, thus repunched and over dates.

Beginning with the 20th century types, the date was included in its entirety somewhere in the hubbing process so that by the time the working dies were hubbed, the entire date was placed into the die by machine, not by hand. This removed all possibility for repunching date digits, henceforth removing the possibility of repunched and over dates.

ALL 20th century coins exhibiting two different dates on one coin are doubled dies, NOT over dates. This includes the 1918/7D nickel, both 1942/1 dimes, the 1943/2 Jefferson nickel, and others. These are the result of hubbing two different designs into a die (a class 3 design hub doubled die), instead of the result of erroneously punching the wrong date into a die (an over date). ALL series of coins that started during the 20th century had the dates completed in the epoxy stage, so there IS NO SUCH THING as an overdate or a repunched date on Buffalo nickels, Lincoln cents, Mercury dimes, Standing Liberty quarters, Walking Liberty half dolalrs, Peace dollars, or any coin that came out after those.

(note: the information above was edited on Sunday, Feb. 24 at 8:15 ET to accomodate for necessary changes to correct possibly incorrect information, as noted below by other members.)

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02/24/2008 08:31 am
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Okay, so now we've covered planchet making and planchet erors, die making and sub-types, varieties, and die varieties (all problems that occur during die making), but we still have to cover die errors and striking errors.

Once the dies and planchets are completed, we dump the planchets into hoppers, set the dies into place on the minting presses, and begin making coins. From this point forward, sub-types, varieties, and die varieties are already in place and do not 'become'...ALL of these terms are used for the design that is ALREADY in the die that's being used. So...if a die being used has doubling on it, ALL of the coins minted by that die will take on the doubling, and be discovered and cataloged as doubled dies. If a die being used has stars on it where another did not, ALL of the coins minted by this die will have stars on them and be called the 'with stars' sub-type. If a die being used is a small date, ALL of the coins minted by this die will be small dates, and will be categorized as small date variety coins.

From this point forward, only striking these deisgns into the coins is left. If a planchet had a clip in it when this process started, it will go through the process and come out the other end with the clip. If a planchet started out weakly bonded it could split during the striking process, but still--that planchet was flawed before it entered the striking chamber. If it splits while it is being struck, it's STILL a planchet error because the problem that caused the split was created in the sheets of metal that were cut into blanks. You see, this is the process of deducing WHERE the problem STARTED....not the result. If a planchet started out fine, it will come out the other end fine. Planchet errors CANNOT occur as a result of the striking process.

So...what CAN occur during the striking process. Well, the dies can break. Any coins mitned with a broken die will show a huge raised area on the resulting coins due to the cavity in the die caused by the break. Important to note here is that the die started out whole, and broke during the striking of coins, so the first coin struck was NORMAL. The die broke THEN minted error coins. THIS is the fundamental definition of a die error.

The machines can malfunction, mis-striking coins. Any mis-struck coin is a striking error. If the reverse die does not sink properly into the collar before receiving a planchet, and the coin is struck without the retaining collar around it, we get a broadstruck coin. If the broadstrike is not centered on the die, it's called an off-center strike. If a coin sticks to the upper die and strikes other coins while stuck to the upper die, we end up with a 'struck through capped die' error. ALL errors that do not fit into the planchet error or die error parts DO fit into the striking errir part.

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Now...a question that has arisen numerous times, and the answer to that question. Can coins come out as sub-types, varieties, die varieties, AND errors?

Yes.

A with stars die that is a variety because the stars had to be moved farther from the rim could be a sub type and a variety. If the hub with the sub type and variety end up doubling the image on a working die, we end up with a coin that exhibits a sub type with a variety that's a doubled die. If the mintmark was placed into the doubled die incorrectly and it is doubled, we end up with a coin that's a sub type, variety, doubled die, and repunched mintmark. All this is ON THE DIE. Every coin struck with this die will end up showing all these characteristics.

Now...if this die is hung on the press and a clipped planchet comes through and is struck, we now have all the above WITH a planchet error - a clip.

If the clip causes a problem with the feeder finger that shoved it into the striking chamber and doesn't seat itself properly for the strike, we could end up with a sub-type, variety, doubled die, repunched mintmark that is an off-center struck clipped planchet...a striking AND planchet error.

You see, any of these processes can happen at any time, but are completely independent of one another. Die errors occur to the die once it's on the press, but this is completely independent of the problematic sheet of metal that ended up being blanks that are going to split open after they are struck...we end up with a clashed die coin that split after strike - a die error AND a planchet error all on one coin.

I was actually privy to witness a 1917 doubled die cent once that split apart...a die variety AND a planchet error.

I hope this helped. If it didn't, you should print this and read it again and again until it does help. These terms are ALL used to describe completely different things that happen in the minting process, and they are indeed very different from one another. If you call something a 'variety' that I define as a 'die error' then you're yet another victim of a LARGE number of collectors and dealers who do not understand the minting process or are too lazy to bother using proper terminology.

These, folks, are the facts...all above information is given to you for you to learn so you can use the proper terms. Errors are NOT varieties and varieties are NOT die varieties. They really are different. Learn them and call them by their correct names, and we will all know better what you're trying to describe here.
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quote:
The stars would be added to enhance the design or to tell the public something changed about the coins...like the addition of arrows onto the dimes, quarters, and half dollars of 1853 to tell the public that the composition (silver content) of the metal changed. They actually changed the weight of the coins. THIS is a sub-type.


I guess we should start calling our Dansco 7070's "US Sub-Type Albums."
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One minor addition to the planchet making process is that "blanks" are cut from the metal strip. Planchets are the result of a blank going through a milling procedure that imparts a raised edge around the blank.

So the "blank" is a raw disc as it is cut from the strip and the "planchet" is the result of that blank being milled in preparation for striking.

These two terms matter when we are dealing with "blank planchet errors" a term that uses both words together just to add confusion to what can be confusing numismatic terminology :-)

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I am going to add this as an edit. I think Chuck meant this to be a little different. Please correct me if I am wrong, but this was a little unclear.

What was posted:

"one epoxy makes a few master dies, which make dozens of working hubs. Each working hub makes dozens of working dies, which mint half a million or so coins each".

I think it should be:

"one epoxy makes a master hub which makes a few master dies, which makes dozens of working hubs. Each working hub makes dozens of working dies, which mint half a million or so coins each".
Thanks,
Bill
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