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While reading the thread about the cleaned Vicky, I was wondering about what happens to copper if it is dipped. The result is obvious, but does the patina return over time and is it noticeable? I would never attempt it but I am curious and I don't have 50 years left to find out.
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Dipped in what?
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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DipIt is used for cleaning silver coins - it is a mild hydrochloric acid. For those that like shiny silver.
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I've never heard of Dipit, please provide a link to some info about it?
HCl is not very good for cleaning silver, it can actually cause silver coins to turn black.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Hints from over 50 years of collecting; I have tried these.
-Never dip any copper/bronze coin or token in coin dip ! It will turn a strange orangey colour and will never ever, ever return to anything resembling a normal old cent ! Ever. Best thing to do with dipped old cents is to polish them, and use them to make some kind of display (nice inlays in a table-top maybe).

- Never use any detergent or soap on a cent. A man I worked with brought me a load of 1940-50's cents but he washed them with soap before. All had lost patina and looked too light- may retone.

-On cents and copper tokens, I use an old soft toothbrush. Start with just water. That's usually all you'll need; water and brush, simple. Don't scrub, just brush. The brush will not scratch bronze (I tried it on a red pre-65 cent and could not see any hint of scratching with a 10x loupe). On old brown ones, nothing, even with a 200x USB microscope camera. If there is corrosion, I use a bit of penetrating oil. If you do it for more than about 15-30 seconds per side it may start to take off patina with penetrating oil. I have this oil because I buy lots of old colonial tokens or dug coins,and also soak old roman coins(need rubber gloves - corrosive, wrecked fingernails before gloves). Try lighter oils like margarine or vegetable oil on an extra coin and see if it gives any results. You can usually get all the crud stuck in the letters out but any corrosion will remain. Wash with hot water, you can rub dry with a cotton towel or T-shirt - they won't scratch copper.

-Don't use a brush on silver or brass.

-If you dip a silver coin, do it for the LEAST amount of time possible (10 seconds is usually good while swishing the liquid around). A gentle rub with a rubber-gloved finger, a long, running-water rinse, a cotton towel pat-down (not a rub), let sit to get to room temperature before putting it in a 2x2 so you don't get moisture trapped with it. Dip too long and it can go a dull grey, believe me, I've done it. (Tarn-X, any Canadian hardware)

-If there is a fingerprint mark, you're doomed ! Nothing can fix it.

-Coins didn't come from any mint covered in silver sulphide nor dirt. When you clean your car that is covered in dirt or mud, you are not enhancing it, you are simply bringing it back to it's original state.

-If in doubt, lick your thumb and rub.


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Thanks Terry.
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When you clean your car that is covered in dirt or mud, you are not enhancing it, you are simply bringing it back to it's original state.

Well stated but... a very touchy issue . Tread carefully inconnu when cleaning any coin (especially silver)
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Touchy subject, yes. Technically, if you pick up a coin in the mud and pour water on it to see what it is, you have cleaned it. If your baby flicks a spoonful of pablum on your coins you're looking at at the table, and you wipe it off, you cleaned it. If you lick your thumb and rub off some sticky schmutz, yep, you cleaned it. If your rub it on your t-shirt (works great for dull nickels, makes the hazy newer ones gleam), bad you.
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Although Terry mentions a soft toothbrush (and he and I have discussed this before many times on the old CCRS site), you still have to be VERY CAREFUL with what you do. The brush itself will not scratch the coin surface, but the dirt/grimes that is in the nooks and crannies CAN scratch the surface once it is dislodged if you do anything more than dab and pat. You have to be gentle gentle getting the Vicky crud or dirt out of the crevices ... do not scrub the coin and be very careful. Old Vicky cents are very susceptible to any household cleaner and they will change color and loose the surface patina. I have used Goo-Gone with varying success on coins with unknown substances on them .. you have to get all of the oily goo-gone off with distilled water after and they turn the coins kinda false-shiny.
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I couldn't quickly locate any additional information on what might be in this stuff, but it is sold to watchmakers and jewelers.

The company that makes this particular product states: "Instantly removes tarnish from silver, silverware, and cutlery. Ideal for coin cleaning. Just dip and rinse with water, the wipe dry."

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