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How Exactly Should I Go About Putting This Seated Quarter In Acetone?

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Hello guys, recently I put this 1875 Seated quarter in the grading section. It has been mentioned I should put it in acetone to get rid of the gunk near the rims and the PVC near the cap/pole. Thanks to BH1964 for the helpful thread on cointalk, but I have some specific questions than I was hoping I could get answered.

1) What kind of glass jars are best? The only jars I have are glass jars from jams, and also when I put the coin in, do I fully close the jar? Or leave a little room for air?
2) Since the PVC is only on the obverse, would it be more practical to use a q-tip dipped in acetone to get it off?
3) After putting it into acetone the first time, do I let it air dry, give it a fresh quick acetone bath again or put it into distilled water? I can't find an agreed upon answer.

Sorry in advance if this is the wrong section. Here are some better pics detailing the mentioned area.



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Note: In person there's no hairlines on the coin. I had to take a weird angle for you guys to get a good pic. Thanks!
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If you use a jam jar, eat or remove the jam first, then wash the jar in warm soapy water.
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I can tell the hairlines are there from an old cleaning, probably market acceptable now. First, take a cotton swab dipped in acetone to lightly swab the surface, and tell us what comes off. I usually do that about 5 times, using a fresh q-tip every time.
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Can't recommend rubbing with qtip.

Use a shot glass. It avoids the problem of losing the coin at the bottom and having to fish.
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I would not use a q-tip at first, you can dislodge junk and then drag it around on the surface causing more light scratching... Id do a few soaks first at the very least
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You need a soak in a covered jar 12-24 hours . Then see if a tooth pic will work . I have a feeling Acetone is not going to work on your coin . If it doesn't , DO NOT use any thing else on it . Just keep it the way it is ,or you might end up ruining the coin .
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Lot's of different opinions here. However you do it, please post after pictures.
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I use a pickle jar, with lid.


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GR58, were you removing the 'hand coloring' on that ASE?
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I would use the q tip method but dabbing rather than scrubbing.

They are correct in saying a dip is the safer option though.

Remember acetone is toxic and flamable. Use in a well ventilated area, avoid leaving it in the sun and tteat it with respect.
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Thanks very much, guys. I will go pick up some acetone hopefully this weekend and pics will soon come your way!
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I would use the q tip method but dabbing rather than scrubbing.

They are correct in saying a dip is the safer option though.

Remember acetone is toxic and flamable. Use in a well ventilated area, avoid leaving it in the sun and tteat it with respect.


with all af the above! Try to find pure acetone if you can.
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If acetone does not work - refer to this thread:
http://goccf.com/t/268087

BadThad has done an excellent job in making a list of what should and should not be used.

Acetone is an organic solvent. Xylene is an inorganic solvent. Neither can hurt your coin.

If none of the above works, I know it sounds crazy, but I have used the following technique many times to remove surface gunk - its a bit extreme:

1. Get some porcupine quills - Yes, ebay - a sandwich bag full is 4.00 last I looked.
2. I put my coin under magnification and carefully clean the dirt out of the gaps in the devices using the sharper end of the quill (non-follicle end). I use the sharper end b/c it is a precise point.

Why quills?
1. Much smaller points than a toothpick so they get inside small places like inside the top and bottom curves of an S mint mark.

2. Like toothpicks, quills will not scratch the coin (unless a micro particle of the gunk on the coin is hard enough to and gets between the tip of the toothpick/quill and the coin surface)

Be gentle with the tip - eventually it will fray or bend over and become useless. I generally get through many coins with one quill.

Different quills are different - some long and thin with extremely small points, others are fatter with tiny points. Both have their uses depending on how small the device you wish to remove stuff from.



If not all gunk can be removed (it is hard and will not move), I soak in acetone to hopefully have the dirt soften somewhat and repeat until done. Sometimes this is a long process and I have given up. On a very few I have not been able to remove the gunk. I will try xylene soaks/quill removal over and over these in the future.

I have done a LOT of coins this way as I have a lot to go through to look for errors and cannot see the details from typical circulation gunk.

(Yes, ebay - 4.00 a sandwich bag last I looked. No, not giant African or other exotic quills -- just typical North American quills)


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Remember acetone is toxic and flammable. Use in a well ventilated area, avoid leaving it in the sun and treat it with respect.


Flammable, yes - however it is a common misconception that acetone if toxic. Acetone is even found in grapes, and if memory serves, our bodies make small amounts of it.

Of course, like anything else, I would not think drinking large amounts would be healthy.

If acetone was toxic it would not be found in nail polish remover as we would have millions of little girls/teens poisoned from it. And most of these girls never have used any ventilation techniques.

Xylene is different - read the container - best used outside as heavy exposure can make problems arise. Google it.
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GR58, how do you get the coin in and out of the jar? it seems just dropping it in and tipping it out might ding up the coin.
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Xylene is an inorganic solvent.

A minor correction to the above: Actually xylene is also an organic solvent. It is just non-polar while acetone is polar.
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Thanks for the correction on that. I am not sure why I wrote inorganic... I know better (or at least I better - years ago I taught high school chemistry!)


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how do you get the coin in and out of the jar?


I use a baby food jar b/c it is small and you need use less acetone this way.

I have a pair of coin tweezers (plastic) that I got awhile ago from Wizard coin:

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I use the tweezers to place the coin in the acetone. To get them out, I insert the tweezers so when I tilt the jar the coin will flop onto the top of the open tweezers, and then carefully remove the coin (so it does not slide off of the tweezers) onto a soft cotton cloth (old cotton T-shirt is fine). It takes a second for the acetone to totally evaporate.

If I did not have the tweezers, I would probably improvise by pinching/holding the coin firmly between to well-cleaned Popsicle sticks. I would lower the ends holding the coin into into the acetone (maybe a cotton ball - cushion already in the bottom of the jar in case I dropped the coin). I would remove the coin as described above.

Adept with chopsticks? But acetone would eat the plastic ones.
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