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I'm now working on a CSC/CSS type set, and I picked this up the other day. The toning is much better then I thought it was going to be, as the seller's pics showed it as mud brown. Anyway, just for fun, what do you grade this?   *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. *** |
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Bedrock of the Community
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63 and very attractive.  From the pics the obverse looks better than the reverse which is unusual. Many attractively toned and high grade examples of this coin exist. I almost bit on one that had bright pink toning on both sides recently. It was even really reasonably priced compared to what these went for in the 80's. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
08/24/2017 7:27 pm
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I'm compelled to go AU55 on this otherwise lovely example. Must state ... it's very challenging to grade potential MS coins by photographs ... the coin in hand where one can view rub is imperative for any MS determination. This coin ... to me with some expertise on the topic ... shows clear circulation wear on the high points of the design ... On the obverse ...Look at the central jewel in Queen Isabella crown ... and the beaded 'hair' flowing down from the crown. On the reverse ... the best pick-up point is to view the point where the spinner thread crosses the knee ... All show wear ... but not much. Hence my authentic, AU55 opinion. Lovely addition Beefer518.  Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art |
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Certainly circulated, but only with the lightest brush - 58. Fortunately, it shows no sign of cleaning which is so prevalent on this early issue. Keep the CSC 50 set at the top of your want list if you ever hope to complete it. Also keep in mind that in many instances high grade TPG is only slightly more than raw. Check out the Iowa in MS-67 as an example. |
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I'll take a jab at AU55 and it's a beauty!
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AU55 sounds about right. 53 if the luster's weak, it is a nice coin.
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AU-55, nice subtle coloring.
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Ok folks, time for the reveal.   I think nickelsearcher's comment skewed things, and what he said made me take another look at the coin. I'm not defending the coin, or the opinions, as it's always difficult to grade via photo vs in hand. Quote:
On the reverse ... the best pick-up point is to view the point where the spinner thread crosses the knee ... I have looked at this area at many different lighting angles, and under the loupe, and I'm certain it's a weak-ish strike in that area (maybe a bit of a grease strike through?). I see what is being referred to, but the luster is consistent across the thread, and I think it's just the strike. I'm going to try and get a second opinion on that later this week. Quote:
On the obverse ...Look at the central jewel in Queen Isabella crown ... and the beaded 'hair' flowing down from the crown. What everyone (myself included) is seeing on the center jewel is an out of focus scratch on the slab: 1st pic was taken at the same time as the images posted here, (but at a different exposure), second is taken with the coin/slab at an angle. I'm pointing to the scratch that I think was mistaken for wear (and how it relocated when at an angle).   As for the jeweled hair, I'm not sure. Edited by Beefer518
08/26/2017 8:13 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Weak strike perhaps but with a mintage of 24,000 it's hard to imagine how that can be a MS63. Here's a MS63 obverse for comparison. Or perhaps I should say no comparison.  |
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Do you think it should be re-submitted? And if they grade it lower, would they pay the difference between a 63 and a 55/58? I also wonder if a scratch-proof slab would be better. This slab is pretty scuffed up.
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And if they grade it lower, would they pay the difference between a 63 and a 55/58? They should. Whether they would downgrade it is the bigger question. Quote:
I also wonder if a scratch-proof slab would be better. Funny you mention it because my first thought was bad slab or images contributing to the appearance. Certainly a new slab would enhance the appearance but the cost/value analysis doesn't justify it IMO. If it were mine I'd try to sell it for MS63 money and buy an equivalent AU55 for half the price. |
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It looked Ms 62 to me, but stored improperly which sometimes can skew grades. Eye appeal has been taken to the woodshed. Sorry.
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