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For The Masses Cent Double Die Or Not?

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http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...3PDDO002.htmhttp://goccf.com/t/273120http://goccf.com/t/296156

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 For a coin to be a double die it actually must have doubling such as 1955 cent ,1984 cent
 A coin can be a double die without actual doubling 1973 cent,1984 DDR-002 2-R-II-C

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Apparently you must not know what a DDR/DDO/RPM actually is and how prevalent they are? How about all the references by YEAR and MINTMARK currently in use for this study?

Want me to put you on my list for "Coin IDing For Dummies"? Should be done with it soon...

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Maybe something a bit more helpful...


None of us know everything.

By definition a DDO or DDR is not about how much doubling you can see on the coin.

If a die for making the coins has had the design engraved into it twice, then the coins made from that die are called doubled die coins.

Hoe much doubling the coins show depends on how far the second die engraving was offset from the first one.

When the offset of the second engraving is very small, the letters/numbers only have an added thickness to them - yet this is how we can tell the dies were engraved more than once. The larger the offset of the second engraving from the first, the more doubling can be seen on the coins.

All of the coins made from a doubled die are DDOs or DDRs.

A good question might be how many people care about collecting the DDOs and DDRs that have little enough doubling you need a microscope to see it.
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***DOUBLED*** die.
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***DOUBLED*** die.


That should be chapter one!
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I know what some folks are saying about the minor doubling. Sometimes, the only way you know what it is would be what's written on your 2x2. I enjoy looking for RPM coins myself, but haven't found too many. I don't see myself BUYING one though.
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A good question might be how many people care about collecting the DDOs and DDRs that have little enough doubling you need a microscope to see it.


I agree, if you need like 100X or more to see a notch in a letter or MM what good is it? I may be wrong but I thought TPG,s won't even bother to designate a variety if they need more than a 10X loupe to see it.
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I may be wrong but I thought TPG,s won't even bother to designate a variety if they need more than a 10X loupe to see it.


If people cared enough to collect and pay more money for micro-varieties, then the TPGs would probably not only label them, but likely apply their typical marketing tricks to sell more (such as getting celebrity signatures on labels etc.).
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There are something like 9 classes of collectable doubling to learn and a bunch more of non collectable doubling.
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I appreciate all the feedback and yes I would love a copy of the book for dummies,please put me at the TOP of the list.What inspired the question was my brother.I'll show him a picture and first thing he says is where the DOUBLING and agree yet that's how their listed.Didn't know 10x magnification was used as a standard ,I do use a microscope camera .I ask a lot of y'all so this gives some clarification so hopefully I won't ask as many questions.
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If people cared enough to collect and pay more money for micro-varieties, then the TPGs would probably not only label them, but likely apply their typical marketing tricks to sell more


I was going to say that they have to draw the line somewhere but after seeing some of the things they grade and all the different labels to draw the uninformed collector in - I don't think they have a line.
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For me, I care enough to collect minor Doubled Die varieties and could care way less that is it minor. I spotted one with my naked eye in the light during coin roll hunting. Others can say whatever they what, but this is what I think of it. The minor Doubled Dies are very fun for me to find. :)
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I started a couple of years ago when I saw some of my grandfathers coins,he was the type he kept them for a reason.So I was looking through his coin books from the 60's and saw references such as CONECA from there it's a whole new world out there.I try to live by the "RULE OF KISS"Keep It Simple Stupid and then came VV and the 30+ DDO and 30+DDR not counting RPM ,Traildies etc on one coin(KISS JUST FLEW OUT THE WINDOW)I started looking at coins to relax when I'd get home ,still fun not relaxing though.Thanks a lot again for all the info Still a Rookie and looks like I'll be one for awhile there's a lot of info out there.Where does the 1973 DDO-002 fall minor I'm thinking and would it recognized by TPG
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Your welcome. I always look at my Lincoln cents for Doubled Dies. It's very fun searching for them etheir if it's minor or not. :)
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Others can say whatever they what, but this is what I think of it. The minor Doubled Dies are very fun for me to find. :)


And that is what a hobby is all about - what we, as individuals enjoy.


For some reason humans love to give into peer pressure from the cradle (well almost) to the grave. When we let our hobby be driven by other's ideas, then where is the fun?

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