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Opinions On "1925-D Mercury Dime Choice XF Naturally Toned"

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I've been looking to pick up an AU'ish 1925-D (now that I have the other pre-1933 semi-keys in VF-XF). I'm likely going to target the remaining S and D mint issues (early dates) in AU to MS [not interested in a 16-D right now].

I know this coin is somewhat challenging in higher grades. I'm kicking myself for not bidding higher on this one that ended last night: 173152533006

So the photos are not super great. I asked for better ones, and the seller pretty much said 'what you see is what you get'. Starting bid was $79 and there was not a single bid up to my snipe at 10 seconds prior to the end, when another bidder swooped in with a higher snipe!

I evaluated and considered this coin for a couple of days and convinced myself it was a really good buy, so I'm kicking myself for not sniping higher! I'm chalking this up to a learning experience, to always snipe as high as you think it is worth. I was foolish to think I could get this at $20 higher than the initial bid amount (I sniped at $99.99), when in reality I know it is at least a $150 coin (if not better).

Thoughts?
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 Posted 02/18/2018  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a fan of this color, much less the seller's attitude. I think you're better off not owning it.
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 Posted 02/18/2018  10:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could have been funny lighting. Seller has 5 negs in the last year. Good you missed it.
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 Posted 02/18/2018  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add one_fine_dime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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much less the seller's attitude


Here was our exchange:

Me:
Hi there. Nice coin! I'm definitely considering bidding on this one.

It is always hard to discern details via online photos. These photos appear to have been taken through the mylar coin flip. Is there any way you could send additional photos? Maybe in natural lighting outside the flip, from different angles? $80 is still $80; and we certainly want to avoid the need for returns.

Also, could you please let me know if, in your opinion, this coin has been cleaned or had anything else done to it that would prevent it from being certified by PCGS or NGC?

Thank you so much for your assistance. I look forward to hearing your responses and bidding on this coin!


Seller's Response:
Bid on what you see. I put out the best photos I can out. So if it doesn't look it then pass


Asking about the coin being cleaned was something I recently read in a CoinWeek article:
https://coinweek.com/coins/news/how...ins-on-ebay/
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 Posted 02/18/2018  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't like the seller's attitude. The color is a bit strange. Glad you didn't waste your money on it.
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 Posted 02/18/2018  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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my snipe at 10 seconds prior to the end


Just a worthless comment here, so no offence intended. A bid with 10 seconds isn't a snipe, it's just a bid. I do 3 seconds manually, and 2 seconds with software. I know there's some on this site that have 1 second software. Those are snipes. Up your game
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 Posted 02/18/2018  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Look up coin shows in your area. Also, try coin clubs. I hate ebay for just what your going through.
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 Posted 02/18/2018  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not winning was probably to your favor.
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 Posted 02/18/2018  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The color is all wrong, you got lucky.

Ten second snipe...
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 Posted 02/18/2018  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add one_fine_dime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ok, ok...good teasing on the snipe comment! tough crowd.

so, about the color, are folks saying silver coins don't naturally tone this way? I've often seen light "russet" type toning.
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The seller has holes in his game. Most of the time that I have taken a risk on Seller's with that much negative feedback, I was disappointed with the purchase. The coin is most likely a details coin AT or cleaned. You were the winner in this auction by not getting the coin.
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are folks saying silver coins don't naturally tone this way


They might tone like that, but without enough angles and lighting, you can't tell if the toning is really there. Lots of sellers tint/photoshop their photos, and just the fact this seller reacted badly to your request is a red(pink) flag for this one. The 2x2 looks a bit pink too, so I'm not sure how much toning the coin has. My guess is some perimeter toning, that's it.
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Just from the sellers attitude I would black list him from future bids or BIN . And yes a 10 second snipe gives other bidders time to snipe you .
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 Posted 02/18/2018  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add one_fine_dime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the insights on this guys! I had noticed that coins do not seem to be this seller's main focus, and this was the only recent Mercury dime or coin in a mylar flip in his recently completed sales list. So I was thinking I'd give him the benefit of the doubt (somewhat)..ok, maybe he didn't even take these photos himself and doesn't want to be bothered to do so, and if this coin is as good as it looks (AU or possibly even MS), he clearly doesn't know what he has (i.e. you don't post such crappy photos on such a high quality coin).

Based on just carl's good advice, I did hit up the monthly coin show here in Syracuse. Not too many dealers with higher grade early date mercs, but I made some contacts and will be reaching out with wish lists. I agree that being able to consider coins in hand is much better than taking a wild guess on iffy photos on ebay...on top of dealing with my slow trigger finger.
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 Posted 02/18/2018  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure about the color, could be lighting reflection, the detail warrant at least a low AU grade. No way to tell if its been cleaned or not, I would have taken the chance myself if I spot it.
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 Posted 02/19/2018  01:04 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, I thought it looked pretty good, easily better than XF, but with the seller's response to your inquiry, no way I would have bid.
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