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ID Help George II Half Pence?

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got this one out of a junk bin thinking it might be a George II half pence. I still think it is but I can't find any that the figure on the reverse is facing to the right. Any ideas?
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 Posted 03/15/2018  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add alganbagerap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hibernia halfpenny maybe.
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Good idea, but I am not seeing a Harp on the left side of the reverse. I am seeing the bottom scroll looking thing from the bottom of the shield.
I also thought it might be a Connecticut Copper, it shares many similarity's but once again I could find no variety where the obverse faces right.
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Your coin is very similar to an 1835-1838 Canadian, Half Cent, blacksmith token.
The receding chin on your bust,the upward curved shoulder piece and the right facing Britannia match the token.
The half token weight is 6.05 gms. with a diameter of 27.4 mm.
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Many thanks to Dennman and alganbagerap for your input. I would have never guessed to look into Canada for this one, but thats definitely it.
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I'd have a look at Charlton Blacksmith token BL-2 (wood 2 +3). It seems to be the closest from what I find in the token catalogue.
It's a counterfeit British halfpenny. It is not a 1/2 pence, it's a 1/2 penny - pence is British plural for pennies.
It is also not a Half Cent since there were no coin or token cents in Canada until at least the 1850's (maybe 1861 N.S.?).
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I agree with Terry T either BL-2 or BL-3 Canadian Blacksmith Copper Wood 2 or Wood 4 since Wood 3 is in brass.

Just from its striking appearance I doubt its of a thin flan but let us know the weight as it may have a value over $100.

The term Half Cent and Halfpenny are interchangeable but halfpence is more correct.

IMO these are GIII caricatures made to look like George II halfpence so we have the head left/right Britannia. Dies were polished to produce worn looking GII 1/2d's with GIII caricatures since GII died in 1760 and these circulated 1820-1870. Faulkner does provide some evidence in his new Upper Canada book (Coins are like Songs) there were no laws prohibiting British like coppers to circulate in the Canadas so like the U.S. these circulated freely till ~ 1870. I agree the uniting of the Canidas in 1841 was NOT the stoppage point for Blacksmiths or British like coppers. I don't necessarily agree with Warren Baker or Chris Faulkner's opinion that Blacksmiths can be tied to in/around 1837 as the starting point. Its difficult to do that with contemporary circulating counterfeits - particularly with the myriad of Blackmsith types we see in this group but I see their point with the Banks in operation at this time not being able to redeem paper currency for hard currency opening the doors for more copper TRASH again - in/around 1837-1838.

JPL
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weight is 7.5 g
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Thick flan not as rare as the thin flan. ~$50 or so ...
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 Posted 03/28/2018  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ColonialJohn, you cannot have a halfpence. You can have 2 halfpence (2 halfpennies) or 3 halfpence (3 halfpennies) but 1 is a halfpenny. 1 penny is a penny not a pence, 2 or more pennies can be pence. Pence is only used when the word penny is pluralized as "pennies" then shortened to pence in casual usage.
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