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CoinOS Valued Member 269 Posts	Posted 03/22/2018 2:19 pm I have a question regarding the Australian 1921 shilling. This one is on ebay: Grass is patchy and some areas have very little to none. I have seen this on a few 1921 shillings of various grades. Most, however do not have the sparse patches: Five random coins found online have no sparse patches. That has nothing to do with wear or coin grade and everything to do with the minting. Is anyone here familiar enough with this coin to provide an explanation for this? I own dozens of 1921 shillings and about one in six show this. If the answer is simply 'worn die' - why do some of the best known examples have the missing grass? Cheers Edited by CoinOS 03/22/2018 10:45 pm Report this Post to the Staff

airgem Valued Member Australia 369 Posts	Posted 03/22/2018 3:16 pm Quote: If the answer is simply 'worn die' - why do some of the best known examples have the missing grass? . There is a difference with a 'worn die' and a 'filled die'. Although in this case it is a red flag for more closer examination. Impossible to tell from photo. Report this Post to the Staff
Loruca Valued Member Canada 242 Posts	Posted 03/27/2018 7:50 pm This and the rim detail scream Chinese fake to me. A good one, probably silver, but fake nonetheless. Report this Post to the Staff
MobOfRoos Pillar of the Community Australia 762 Posts	Posted 03/27/2018 8:00 pm Interesting topic. Here is my example. Fine grade yet plenty of grass Edited by MobOfRoos 03/27/2018 8:02 pm Report this Post to the Staff
nealeffendi Pillar of the Community Australia 852 Posts	Posted 03/28/2018 2:41 pm I see no problem with the rim. As for the grass....if you have seen others with similar grass issues then apply a little logic. - if the grass issue '21s are all of a similar high grade then they are fake and struck these past few decades to rip off collectors -if the grass issue '21s are mostly VG and up then most likely they are one of 2 things... 1/ genuine shillings with striking issues 2/ contemporary fakes, probably struck in the 1920s and put into circulation. Although not kosher they are still a nice thing to collect and some command a premium to the genuine coins (like the fake 1928 shillings attributed to Manders, last one I bid on in aF grade I bid triple the price a genuine shilling would go for and was outbid by several other bidders). Any photo of the obverse? Report this Post to the Staff
CoinOS Valued Member 269 Posts	Posted 03/28/2018 5:03 pm Loruca Quote: This and the rim detail scream Chinese fake to me. I am familiar with a lot of Chinese fake coins and I see no match with this. There is nothing wrong with the rims. NE Quote: Any photo of the obverse? It's the highest priced 1921 shilling currently on ebay. Seller has 3250 on it with a make offer, suggesting he wants near three thou - but I wouldn't pay anything like that for this one. A few 64's and 65's exist but they are five figure pricetags. Not many collectors have 1921 shillings above 53. Worn down examples are cheap but it is a rare coin and there are always buyers for nice specimens. Here's a genuine 1921 1s exhibiting the same: As you know from my other posts on this forum, I am not fast to run to calling a coin fake unless I am certain. I have no good reason to consider the title coin here suspect. It's seller has a good rep and is a long running business, he wouldn't waste his time with a fake. NE Quote: the fake 1928 shillings attributed to Manders Manders and Twible made mostly florins over a five year span, and apparently some shillings and sixpences too but detailed info on them is hard to find. I am currently looking for a copy of The Shadow: The Amazing Exploits of Frank Fahy, I'll add it to my collection. It is relevant to the Manders and Twible case. NE Quote: I bid triple the price a genuine shilling would go for and was outbid I'm looking for Manders and Twible coins, but haven't found any yet. If anyone wants to learn about fake florins and shillings: https://www.australian-coins.com/co...r-shillings/ http://www.triton.vg/Manders.html - has some basic info as a start point. My best guess as to the grassy knoll mystery is a mint die defect. Cheers and happy Easter. Edited by CoinOS 03/28/2018 5:37 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Basil Pillar of the Community Australia 1039 Posts	Posted 03/28/2018 6:35 pm Quote: Manders and Twible made mostly florins over a five year span, and apparently some shillings and sixpences too but detailed info on them is hard to find. A Oz guy is/was writing a book on Manders and Twibble,he posted on one of the Forums a few years back asking for specific Info. on the subject. I did a Google and it didn't show but IIRC it was one of the major Stamp Forums,someone on here may know more. Report this Post to the Staff
nealeffendi Pillar of the Community Australia 852 Posts	Posted 03/29/2018 04:09 am Thanks CoinOS, I stand corrected; Manders was florins and the Chinese were the '28 shillings (and it was the shilling with the lump behind the knee that I was outbid on) Report this Post to the Staff
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