Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Specializing in Modern Numismatics Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall 300,000 items to help build your collection! Shop for APMEX Bullion on eBay!Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes.








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

If It's Counterfeit, It's The Best One I've Ever Seen 1859 Sld

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 18 / Views: 3,435Next Topic
Page: of 2
Pillar of the Community
MikeF's Avatar
United States
3479 Posts
 Posted 01/23/2019  9:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
There are many things that don't smell right about this listing. 372574398120

It's too late to report it as counterfeit but I wanted to get some feedback from you guys. I'm going to do some diagnostics and see if I can find any positioning problems.

What do you guys think? Real or fake?
Pillar of the Community
pepactonius's Avatar
United States
9395 Posts
 Posted 01/23/2019  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pepactonius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nowadays, I'd never buy an expensive coin like this unless it's slabbed, and the pics are available at the PCGS or NGC website.

Edited to add:

Also, I just noticed that this is a 0-feedback seller, so I'd be especially wary.
Edited by pepactonius
01/23/2019 9:40 pm
Pillar of the Community
MikeF's Avatar
United States
3479 Posts
 Posted 01/23/2019  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Nowadays, I'd never buy an expensive coin like this unless it was slabbed, and the pics were available at the PCGS or NGC website.


I agree! But I'm trying to help zap out counterfeit slds.

New Member
Ppincher1's Avatar
United States
46 Posts
 Posted 01/23/2019  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ppincher1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Along these same lines (Counterfeit).

Does anyone know who the proper authority should be to report such an issue? Any help would be appreciated.
Pillar of the Community
MikeF's Avatar
United States
3479 Posts
 Posted 01/23/2019  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A venue is available but you have to have solid proof to get the listing removed. Just saying 'it's counterfeit' won't work.
Pillar of the Community
oriole's Avatar
Canada
5239 Posts
 Posted 01/24/2019  02:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Quote:
Also, I just noticed that this is a 0-feedback seller, so I'd be especially wary.


According to the listing, the seller has 36,000 feedback.
I am not going to buy it, but it does not look obviously fake. The seller does call it uncirculated, which it is not of course.
Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts
 Posted 01/24/2019  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As long as it is no longer available, why bother worrying about it?
Bedrock of the Community
Coinfrog's Avatar
United States
94367 Posts
 Posted 01/24/2019  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The lack of feedback alone would be enough to put me off, but I know that's not really the issue. In my case, a lack of knowledge about the subtleties of this series, the raw condition, and the washed out pics are enough reasons not to touch it.
Edited by Coinfrog
01/24/2019 11:19 am
Pillar of the Community
SilverDollar2017's Avatar
United States
8715 Posts
 Posted 01/24/2019  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The pictures and 0 feedback would discourage me from considering purchasing this coin.
Pillar of the Community
MikeF's Avatar
United States
3479 Posts
 Posted 01/24/2019  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
a close up of the date area. The bottom example is a PCGS graded xf-40.
If-It's-Counterfeit,-It's-The-Best-One-I've-Ever-Seen-1859-Sld
If-It's-Counterfeit,-It's-The-Best-One-I've-Ever-Seen-1859-Sld
Edited by MikeF
01/24/2019 12:15 pm
Pillar of the Community
MikeF's Avatar
United States
3479 Posts
 Posted 01/24/2019  1:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
None of the 3 obverse die types lines up to go through the second of the three bars in the shield. Strike one.
If-It's-Counterfeit,-It's-The-Best-One-I've-Ever-Seen-1859-Sld
If-It's-Counterfeit,-It's-The-Best-One-I've-Ever-Seen-1859-Sld
If-It's-Counterfeit,-It's-The-Best-One-I've-Ever-Seen-1859-Sld
If-It's-Counterfeit,-It's-The-Best-One-I've-Ever-Seen-1859-Sld
Edited by MikeF
01/24/2019 1:44 pm
Pillar of the Community
Slider23's Avatar
United States
4469 Posts
 Posted 01/24/2019  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
look at the lower stem of the Y on the OP coin. The lower stem lines up with the edge of the shield.

On the PCGS MS64 the lower stem of Y is not close to lining up with the edge of the shield.

The coin appears to be a counterfeit.

PCGS MS64
If-It's-Counterfeit,-It's-The-Best-One-I've-Ever-Seen-1859-Sld

OP coin
If-It's-Counterfeit,-It's-The-Best-One-I've-Ever-Seen-1859-Sld
Pillar of the Community
MikeF's Avatar
United States
3479 Posts
 Posted 01/24/2019  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great Observation, slider! The reverse seems to be unattributable. The first horizontal line of the shield is the only way to attribute the reverse dies. It depends on how far it extends beyond the first horizontal shield border to the left. But it's completely struck or rubbed out. Was this done intentionally?
If-It's-Counterfeit,-It's-The-Best-One-I've-Ever-Seen-1859-Sld
If-It's-Counterfeit,-It's-The-Best-One-I've-Ever-Seen-1859-Sld
This is a example of one of the obverse die varieties.
If-It's-Counterfeit,-It's-The-Best-One-I've-Ever-Seen-1859-Sld
Edited by MikeF
01/24/2019 4:07 pm
Moderator
Learn More...
nss-52's Avatar
United States
54280 Posts
 Posted 01/24/2019  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
According to the listing, the seller has 36,000 feedback.
You are looking at the wrong listing. Look at the ended listing.
Pillar of the Community
MikeF's Avatar
United States
3479 Posts
 Posted 01/24/2019  4:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What are your thoughts on this one, nss-52?
Pillar of the Community
kbbpll's Avatar
United States
4233 Posts
 Posted 01/25/2019  01:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tips of stars are missing left and right of the cap. That's enough for me. Why somebody thinks they're going to get a $1000+ coin for $300 off somebody who has never sold anything and has nothing else for sale is beyond me. Greed, I guess.
  Previous TopicReplies: 18 / Views: 3,435Next Topic
Page: of 2

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.34 seconds to rattle this change. Forums