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Pristine 1884 S Morgan Silver Dollar

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A good friend of mine inherited this coin among others. He isn't much into coins and I'm trying to convince him to get it certified. I believe it's real, but not sure. Would just like some thoughts.


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I moved your post to the appropriate section for the proper attention.
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Looks almost too good to be true! There was a similar coin up here a couple of weeks ago and it turned out to be counterfeit.

I think your coin is another high quality fake. It (the date) just doesn't like "right" for some reason.

If Y'ALL think it's the real deal, and it honestly came from an inherited old-time collection, then y'all might as well send it in for 3rd party grading ASAP. If it's real it is worth a boat load of money.....(which is another reason I think it is fake!)

Good luck!
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At first glance my impression is fake
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It might be how it's angled, but the letters and serifs look too thick, and the 1 in the date appears too wide.
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Before spending anything on certification, why not take it to a LCS first and get their opinion as to authenticity?
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to CCF. Weight? Is it magnetic? Try the tissue test. If you take it to a LCS,both you and the clerk need to handle it with care in case it is genuine. If you still are not sure,it cost the least to send to ANACS.
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It is most certainly a counterfeit. The first thing I do to prove it based on known facts is go to VAMWorld2 and compare to the listings. The first thing I notice on the OP coin when checking the date position is the tip of the bust does not point between denticles, it points to the center of one. This is never the case. Next the date itself is set too high from the rim. Beyond this the list goes on and on.
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Very interesting. I know better than to chime in on things I know nothing about, so I'll just listen and enjoy.



to the CCF!
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with Coinfrog.
Check out my counterstamped Lincoln Cent collection:
http://goccf.com/t/303507
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I agree with Dave700 that the date position is wrong, and the coin is a counterfeit. Before you spend any time and money on the coin do a magnet test and check the weight. The coin should not stick to a magnet.
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A better magnet test will be to use a very strong magnet, touch to the coin, then pull away quickly. Compare to a real morgan, which will be lifted higher than a fake due to its higher electrical conductivity, this will work as long as the fake is not silver or pure copper, where a ring test would tell
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I see what I interpret as laser etching. I don't know enough about Morgans to say whether these kinds of lines ever appear on real ones. I recall noting the same thing in the same spot in the previous 1884-S but I'll have to go back and check. Welcome Trajan81, and no offense, but the good friend/inherited/new member posting $50000 coin thing has started making me perhaps overly suspicious on here.
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Pretty sure it's a fake. I'd take it to a local dealer to have them look at it before submitting it to a grading service.
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