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Coin Shop Owner Gets 4 Years For Defrauding Customers

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Coin shop owner gets 4 years for defrauding customers out of $1.4 million
https://www.columbian.com/news/2019...IskPbl1YIPe4

Be cautious with your transactions. I like a few of my local coin dealers but I'm not giving them large sums of money without the metals in hand.
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4 years in Canada = 18 months tops.
Glad he got something though.
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That was in Vancouver Washington.
I bought some coins from them a few years back.
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What a conniving turd. Wish he had gotten a longer sentence though.
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One of the advantages of hard assets is the elimination of 'excuses'. You're not buying anything but hope if all you're given in exchange for your money is a promise to deliver.

You'd think that most people buying precious metals would 'get' this, but I guess naive faith and a desire to trust people is a powerful thing. One thing that has always been a bit disturbing is the amount of total faith most people are willing to put into someone on the basis of nothing more than their having opened a storefront location and claiming to be a 'professional'. This is frighteningly common.
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wow 1.4 Million
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No restitution = NO JUSTICE .... Just a few years in jail in return for hundreds of thousands of dollars?
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ExoGuy... Restitution was brought up in the article and I agree with you.


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"(Scott) will never be able to pay restitution. The victims will never be made whole . The victims will only grow more jaded, and they will question how the defendant can go on operating a business and leading a normal life when he has so brazenly stolen from them and so many others. They will experience a futility that can only be cured by justice, the sentencing memorandum states.


I don't understand why some type of restitution wasn't sought in the plea deal too. Like you said he's going to serve his couple of years and be a free man. I understand the money is gone. The odds of him ever being able to come up with the full amount is slim but any income he earns after he's out of jail should be garnished and distributed to his victims.
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And all of his personal property should be seized and sold for partial restitution.
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The odds of him ever being able to come up with the full amount is slim but any income he earns after he's out of jail should be garnished and distributed to his victims.


I completely agree. If he underpaid his taxes by that amount, do you think the IRS would simply give a collective shrug and move on? Absolutely not. They'd be wringing the last penny from his corpse.

Happy Tax Day to my fellow Americans both here and abroad. Yep, you guys abroad better have filed too.
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To my knowledge, the DA could ask the criminal court to order a renewable judgment against the offender. A judge once granted my request to do this. When the offender later received an inheritance settlement, the court attached same, and restitution was made to all victims.
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That sorta depends on whether a trust fund, and what kind of trust, that the inheritor had, if any. There are certain kinds of trusts, such as a special needs trust, in which any money or asset... inheritance, insurance settlement, etc. is directly deposited into and cannot be touched. So it depends. If the guy had no trust fund, or a trust that anybody can attach, great. This of course is assuming that the guy had a trust at all.

Also, if he had a trust, and it was the kind that could be touched, and he had been receiving some kind of aid, such as Medicaid, which has a "payback" provision, it will be a matter of standing in line and who has priority. My guess is that the government would, but I could be wrong. This is admittedly a rare and specific event and I only mention it because it is a possibility, altho a small one at best.
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No two cases are alike. There are often extenuating circumstances. For one thing, jurisdiction matters.

The sentencing court can typically attach conditions for restitution, regardless. Such an order can be challenged, and future hearings would then determine an outcome.

I once had a judge attach an offender's inheritance, a family estate, years after the crimes were committed. Note that the offender in this case was still under the court's jurisdiction at the time, given a probation sentence. He'd received a split sentence of jail, followed by five years of probation.
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We need to return to the days of jail time meaning being breaking large rocks into smaller ones all day long. Prisoners need humane treatment, but making jail a place they REALLY hate to have to be seemed to work so well. That way the people ripped off feel a bit better that they, as the victims, are not suffering while the perp is just waiting in an air conditioned cell with free HBO waiting for 1/2 their time or less to be up so they can get out early and go rip off someone else afterward.
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Sounds remarkably similar to the fraud committed by Tulving several years ago. Wondering if these are the same crooks since last I heard the crooks behind Tulving fled the country.
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